Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:42 am
You don't close the barn door after the horse gets out. You don't take your insulin after you go into a diabetic coma. You don't get your flu shot after you have the flu.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:42 pmThat's not factual. Estimates vary but they are generally higher than for Covid.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:47 pmThe percentage of people that are asymptomatic with the flu is substantially lower than carriers of Covid-19. Therein lies the problem.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:13 pmDirect quote from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htmSymptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.
I'm not saying it's worse than Covid. I am only saying that the asymptomatic argument is not an excuse for preemptive quarantine.
You’re correct. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He’s pointing out a CDC general statement with no statistics. There have been many studies on rates of asymptomatic infection of influenza. Nothing significant on actual transmission by asymptomatic patients. This is entirely a different planet. Like you told me, don’t bother man.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:47 pmThe percentage of people that are asymptomatic with the flu is substantially lower than carriers of Covid-19. Therein lies the problem. Nobody is saying that carriers of the flu aren't ever asymptomatic. I'm not sure what point you're trying to debate here. If it's "the flu is more deadly and dangerous than Covid-19", that's wrong. The symptoms of the flu pale in comparison to the severity of the symptoms of Covid-19. The number of cases, due to the lack of widespread testing, along with the number of reported deaths are grossly understated when talking about Covid-19. I really don't know what factual information you are trying to present to paint a picture of the flu being more severe and deadly. It's not.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:13 pmDirect quote from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htmSymptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.
Sorry, I can’t. Not after the last decade and a half.Give the republicans more credit than that.
That is correct and I was mistaken. Influenza asymptomatic carriers can be upwards of 50%. The big difference, though, is that most asymptomatic carriers of influenza are due to pre-existing partial immunity (flu shots, having had the flu at some point in their lives).JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:42 pmThat's not factual. Estimates vary but they are generally higher than for Covid.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:47 pmThe percentage of people that are asymptomatic with the flu is substantially lower than carriers of Covid-19. Therein lies the problem.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:13 pmDirect quote from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htmSymptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.
I'm not saying it's worse than Covid. I am only saying that the asymptomatic argument is not an excuse for preemptive quarantine.
Again. It is believed that asymptomatic TRANSMISSION is insignificant in influenza. That’s what matters.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:51 amThat is correct and I was mistaken. Influenza asymptomatic carriers can be upwards of 50%. The big difference, though, is that most asymptomatic carriers of influenza are due to pre-existing partial immunity (flu shots, having had the flu at some point in their lives).JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:42 pmThat's not factual. Estimates vary but they are generally higher than for Covid.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:47 pmThe percentage of people that are asymptomatic with the flu is substantially lower than carriers of Covid-19. Therein lies the problem.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:13 pmDirect quote from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htmSymptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.
I'm not saying it's worse than Covid. I am only saying that the asymptomatic argument is not an excuse for preemptive quarantine.
Don’t you know? Today is a great day for George Floyd. Because economy.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:04 pmReally it’s been particularly bad since Trump. He’s ripped this country apart.
You mean the flu shot that was only 29% effective last year? (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/q ... -says.html)Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:43 amYou don't close the barn door after the horse gets out. You don't take your insulin after you go into a diabetic coma. You don't get your flu shot after you have the flu.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:42 pmThat's not factual. Estimates vary but they are generally higher than for Covid.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:47 pmThe percentage of people that are asymptomatic with the flu is substantially lower than carriers of Covid-19. Therein lies the problem.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:13 pmDirect quote from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htmSymptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.
I'm not saying it's worse than Covid. I am only saying that the asymptomatic argument is not an excuse for preemptive quarantine.
If it's insignificant then why does the CDC warn about it?specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:03 pmAgain. It is believed that asymptomatic TRANSMISSION is insignificant in influenza. That’s what matters.
Thank you for not voting for Trump. I agree that we need to learn how to talk to each other and not make assumptions about each other. We’re never going to get anywhere if we talk in absolutes. And I’m guilty of it as well. I’m totally fed up with Trump and I’m not going to hide it. But which of these two statements has a better chance of convincing somebody not to vote for Trump?JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:53 pmAlso, it's absolutely incredible how people are characterizing me as "right-wing," "uneducated" (as if you have any idea what my education level is), and pro-Trump. And this is after I specifically stated in this thread that I am not pro-Trump. I am a libertarian-minded registered Independent who votes third-party (Gary Johnson in the last presidential election), and I am opposed to both Republicans and Democrats. I do not accept the left-right paradigm, but if you want to say it exists, then I am anti-right and anti-left.
I will definitely not be voting for Trump this year.
It doesn’t matter whether they warn of it or not. The CDC doesn’t state it’s common. They just say it’s possible. You’re jumping to wild conclusions off a website with no data. It’s a miniscule amount of the overall infections. That’s an uneducated statement misinforming the masses. It’s what it is. May I suggest you educate through medical journals rather than internet websites.JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:53 pmIf it's insignificant then why does the CDC warn about it?specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:03 pmAgain. It is believed that asymptomatic TRANSMISSION is insignificant in influenza. That’s what matters.
Also, it's absolutely incredible how people are characterizing me as "right-wing," "uneducated" (as if you have any idea what my education level is), and pro-Trump. And this is after I specifically stated in this thread that I am not pro-Trump. I am a libertarian-minded registered Independent who votes third-party (Gary Johnson in the last presidential election), and I am opposed to both Republicans and Democrats. I do not accept the left-right paradigm, but if you want to say it exists, then I am anti-right and anti-left.
I will definitely not be voting for Trump this year.
You can have 3 doctorate degrees and be a globally recognized leader in your field and still be uneducated when it comes to medicine and virology. Read the medical journals or at least some studies published in those journals before assuming you know more than physicians and clinical scientists and virologists on this.JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:53 pmIf it's insignificant then why does the CDC warn about it?specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:03 pmAgain. It is believed that asymptomatic TRANSMISSION is insignificant in influenza. That’s what matters.
Also, it's absolutely incredible how people are characterizing me as "right-wing," "uneducated" (as if you have any idea what my education level is), and pro-Trump. And this is after I specifically stated in this thread that I am not pro-Trump. I am a libertarian-minded registered Independent who votes third-party (Gary Johnson in the last presidential election), and I am opposed to both Republicans and Democrats. I do not accept the left-right paradigm, but if you want to say it exists, then I am anti-right and anti-left.
I will definitely not be voting for Trump this year.
This. I know many physicians that voted for different parities that are all agreed on this.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:56 pmIt doesn’t matter whether they warn of it or not. The CDC doesn’t state it’s common. They just say it’s possible. You’re jumping to wild conclusions off a website with no data. It’s a miniscule amount of the overall infections. That’s an uneducated statement misinforming the masses. It’s what it is. May I suggest you educate through medical journals rather than internet websites.JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:53 pmIf it's insignificant then why does the CDC warn about it?specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:03 pmAgain. It is believed that asymptomatic TRANSMISSION is insignificant in influenza. That’s what matters.
Also, it's absolutely incredible how people are characterizing me as "right-wing," "uneducated" (as if you have any idea what my education level is), and pro-Trump. And this is after I specifically stated in this thread that I am not pro-Trump. I am a libertarian-minded registered Independent who votes third-party (Gary Johnson in the last presidential election), and I am opposed to both Republicans and Democrats. I do not accept the left-right paradigm, but if you want to say it exists, then I am anti-right and anti-left.
I will definitely not be voting for Trump this year.
I can tell you that none of my colleagues, republican or democrat, who are physicians experiencing this pandemic firsthand are speaking of influenza and COVID as remotely similar. We all know another physician, friend or family who died of this just already. That’s not the case with influenza.
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They added some other exceptions too, such as going places where social distancing can’t be maintained.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:52 pmWHO is saying today that asymptomatic transmission is rare now. Idk what is going on over there. Clown show. They also discouraged from wearing masks unless caring for a COVID patient, makes no sense.
Don't wear a mask. It won’t protect you if you are near someone with Covid but, if you are caring for someone with Covid make sure you wear a mask, it might help you not get it.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:52 pmWHO is saying today that asymptomatic transmission is rare now. Idk what is going on over there. Clown show. They also discouraged from wearing masks unless caring for a COVID patient, makes no sense.
It’s totally ridiculous.Nodack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:31 pmDon't wear a mask. It won’t protect you if you are near someone with Covid but, if you are caring for someone with Covid make sure you wear a mask, it might help you not get it.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:52 pmWHO is saying today that asymptomatic transmission is rare now. Idk what is going on over there. Clown show. They also discouraged from wearing masks unless caring for a COVID patient, makes no sense.
Clear as mud.