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IMO he was likely told about it and blew it off for one reason or another (didn't care, chose to ignore bc of Russia/Putin, didn't think it was worthy of any action) or he maybe wasn't told about it because his advisors felt it would be best to keep that info from him (unlikely but not out of the question given his supposed ties to Russia/Putin). I think I've seen previous reports that advisors have kept info from him because they don't trust him, but I think that would've been reported in this instance just the same.

There's been a pattern tho of him completely ignoring Russian actions or siding with/sucking up to Putin the past 4 years. Not surprising he didn't do anything and has denied any knowledge because that's pretty much been policy for 4 years now.

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I just assume whatever reason he does or doesn’t do anything is for the wrong reason.

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The ODNI has just released a reporting finding that Russia, Iran, and China all worked to interfere in the 2020 election to help President Trump and hurt Biden and Democrats. They note that there is not evidence of any of them actively hacking voting machines or changing vote totals.

https://www.businessinsider.com/odni-20 ... ort-2021-3
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/document ... 6MAR21.pdf

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Is any of this at all a surprise, especially after the prior election that Trump won that had a heavy reliance on Russia? The only shock I'd have would be somehow finding out they didn't try to mess with that election or this one.

I don't even think In2ition is stupid or naïve enough to think Russia has kept it clean both times and that Trump and the gang weren't bed buddies with them.

I find it ironic and laughable that he and others keep saying Biden didn't win the election and have mountains of evidence that can't be shared or accessed by anyone that there was fraud and Trump won. These same folks love to conveniently forget that Russia tried as hard as they could this time around to shape the outcome and had a huge part in shaping 2016.
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This has been going on for centuries, and the US government does its fair share of it as well.

The problem is when politicians solicit the intervention or assistance by foreign governments to aid in winning an election. "Russia, if you're listening..", for example.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:08 pm
This has been going on for centuries, and the US government does its fair share of it as well.
very true. and I don't think anyone is saying we don't, or Russia or China or whomever shouldn't be doing it because it is bad. but we (I am directing this at Americans) are literally helping those foreign powers fuck over our country. Willfully. For a modicum of power. It is disgusting.

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It's interesting that that comes out right after this. Russia Russia Russia

U.S. Intel Walks Back Claim Russians Put Bounties on American Troops
"U.S. Intel Walks Back Claim Russians Put Bounties on American Troops" https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel- ... can-troops
It was a huge election-time story that prompted cries of treason. But according to a newly disclosed assessment, Donald Trump might have been right to call it a “hoax.”

Adam Rawnsley
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Updated Apr. 15, 2021 8:54PM ET Published Apr. 15, 2021 11:11AM ET
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Not sure you read all of the sides about this story, but the only part that is 'low-to-moderate' confidence is that money exchanged hands. There is 'high' confidence that the GRU coordinates with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Maybe they were there to swap cabbage soup recipes for some great mantoo recipes.

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This has been known forever. It's just coming out by the administration that it was BS. There have been reports that says it was China and Iran that were providing bounties. Here is the problem. Do you really think that the Taliban needs to be bribed to kill Americans? But keep pushing the Russian hoax more.
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I don't get how all of the trump republicans think Russia is not an adversary that is actively looking to kill Americans and bring down our country.

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They aren't bribing the Taliban, they're incentivizing them.
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I could have put this under the Epstein thread, but I thought it would be better to go here.

Mueller witness pleads guilty in illegal scheme to funnel UAE money to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter | | January 17, 2022 07:55 PM
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George Nader, a key witness in former special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and a convicted child sex predator, quietly pleaded guilty last year to involvement in an illegal campaign finance scheme funneling millions of dollars from the United Arab Emirates into Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign.

Nader, a Lebanese American lobbyist, was sentenced to 10 years in prison in June 2020 after pleading guilty to bringing an underage teenage boy to the United States for sex and possessing child pornography. What was not publicly known until recently was that he also pleaded guilty to an illegal foreign donation scheme.

The Department of Justice revealed in a December sentencing memo that Nader had pleaded guilty to a single count on July 22, 2020. The court filing says Nader and Ahmad “Andy” Khawaja, a Los Angeles-based chief executive of Allied Wallet, “orchestrated a scheme to funnel over $3.5 million in foreign funds into the 2016 presidential election.” The DOJ added that they “did so to gain direct access to unsuspecting high-level political figures to further their professional endeavors: in the defendant’s case, out of a desire to lobby on behalf and advance the interests of his client, the government of the United Arab Emirates; in Khawaja’s case, in the hopes of securing political appointment in the future.”

Nader was indicted in December 2019 for what prosecutors said was his role in a scheme to conceal large sums of illegal campaign contributions to help Clinton in 2016. He was accused of conspiring with Khawaja to conceal the source of more than $3.5 million in campaign contributions to political committees associated with Clinton.
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Hey, remember this? Durham has lost every time in court trying to discredit the Trump/Russia investigation.




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Durham releases a report about the Trump/Russia investigation. Durham claims the FBI should not have so eagerly begun a full investigation into Trump. An analysis.


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CIA Had Foreign Allies Spy On Trump Team, Triggering Russia Collusion Hoax, Sources Say
United States Intelligence Community targeted 26 Trump advisors for foreign spy agencies to “reverse target” and “bump”


by @Shellenberger @mtaibbiand @galexybrane

Last year, John Durham, a special prosecutor for the Department of Justice (DOJ), concluded that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) should never have opened its investigation of alleged collusion by then-presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and Russia in late July of 2016.

Now, multiple credible sources tell Public and Racket that the United States Intelligence Community (IC), including the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), illegally mobilized foreign intelligence agencies to target Trump advisors long before the summer of 2016.

The new information fills many gaps in our understanding of the Russia collusion hoax and is supported by testimony already in the public record.

Until now, the official story has been that the FBI’s investigation began after Australian intelligence officials told US officials that a Trump aide had boasted to an Australian diplomat that Russia had damning material about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

In truth, the US IC asked the “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance to surveil Trump’s associates and share the intelligence they acquired with US agencies, say sources close to a House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HSPCI) investigation. The Five Eyes nations are the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

After Public and Racket had been told that President Barack Obama’s CIA Director, John Brennan, had identified 26 Trump associates for the Five Eyes to target, a source confirmed that the IC had “identified [them] as people to ‘bump,’ or make contact with or manipulate. They were targets of our own IC and law enforcement — targets for collection and misinformation.”

Unknown details about the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign and raw intelligence related to the IC’s surveillance of the Trump campaign are in a 10-inch binder that Trump ordered to be declassified at the very end of his term, sources told Public and Racket.

If the top-secret documents exist proving these charges, they are potentially proof that multiple US intelligence officials broke laws against spying and election interference.

CNN, Politico, The Guardian, and others reported in 2017 that the British Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), the UK’s equivalent of the National Security Agency (NSA), was the “principal whistleblower” in the investigation into the alleged ties between Trump and the Russian government.

“GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious ‘interactions’ between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence” wrote a team of reporters for The Guardian in April 2017.

This intelligence sharing was supposedly just the result of “incidental collection.” Reported The Guardian, “It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets.”

But now, sources say the GCHQ’s version of events is false. Instead, the US IC asked its foreign allies to target 26 members of Trump’s team, possibly to justify the FBI’s investigation.

“They were making contacts and bumping Trump people going back to March 2016,” a source close to the investigation said. “They were sending people around the UK, Australia, Italy — the Mossad in Italy. The MI6 was working at an intelligence school they had set up.”

The IC, a source said, considered the 26 Trump campaign people identified to “bump” or “reverse target,” or manipulate through confidential human sources (CHSs), to be easy marks because of their relative inexperience.

Doing so was illegal, both because US law prohibits such intelligence gathering unless authorized by a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant and because the weaponization of the IC for political purposes constitutes election interference.

Brennan, former President Barack Obama, under whom he served, and the CIA did not respond to requests by Public and Racket for comment. The Justice Department also declined to comment. But, the FBI and GCHQ did respond.

“The allegations that GCHQ was asked to conduct ‘wire tapping’ against the then president-elect are nonsense,” said a GCHQ spokesperson. “They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”

However, in our email presenting the claims to GCHQ, we did not refer to "wiretapping" but rather to its UK spy agency’s broader alleged involvement in the scheme.

Said the FBI, “The conduct in 2016 and 2017 that [Justice Department] Special Counsel [John] Durham examined was the reason that current FBI leadership already implemented dozens of corrective actions, which have now been in place for some time. Had those reforms been in place in 2016, the missteps identified in the report could have been prevented.”

But the new information provided by our sources should significantly alter the public’s understanding of how the US IC, including the FBI and CIA, began their illegal investigation into the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia...

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