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Nodack wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:39 am
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir ... this-year/
PHOENIX (AP) — How hot is it in Phoenix? In what has been the hottest summer ever measured, the sizzling city in the Sonoran Desert broke yet another record Saturday when temperatures topped 110 degrees Fahrenheit (43.3 Celsius).
It was the 54th day this year that the official reading at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport made the mark, eclipsing the previous record of 53 days set in 2020.
Yep, this year’s record heat cemented my decision not to retire to Arizona. Too bad. Would have been fun to get at least partial season tickets and jam with you, ‘Dack.
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Summer is my favorite time in Phoenix. Traffic is much better and I get to swim a lot. Gigs slow down and I have a lot more time to post meaningless dribble on Phx-suns.net.

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Brooklyn right now. Climate change. Seems bad.


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Arizona governor moves to end Saudi-owned farm’s controversial leases
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizo ... r-AA1hBhLO

Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs said Monday that her administration would effectively kick a Saudi-owned alfalfa farm off a critical stretch of state land, a forceful step that speaks to the firestorm of controversy over foreign extraction of natural resources as well as deepening dilemmas over water scarcity as climate change dries out the West.

“It’s unacceptable that Fondomonte has continued to pump unchecked amounts of groundwater out of our state while in clear default on their lease,” she said, promising to do “everything in my power to protect Arizona’s water so we can continue to sustainably grow for generations to come.”

Fondomonte is a wholly owned subsidiary of Riyadh-based food and beverage giant Almarai, which grows water-intensive crops in other regions of the world to avoid depleting the kingdom’s limited supply of the natural resource.

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The planet is burning.


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Mori Chu wrote:
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The planet is burning.

No problem. It will eventually run out of things that burn.

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Gila River Indian Community partners with Army Engineers on solar-covered canal project
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The Gila River Indian Community will partner with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to cover one of the tribe’s canals with solar panels following a landmark agreement cemented earlier this month.

Through the partnership, the Army Corps will place photovoltaic panels over one of the tribe’s irrigation canals — the 1-10 Level Top canal — with the goal of both conserving water and generating renewable energy.

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Even checking out the rain in Souther Cal. 11 inches? That’s a lot of rain for that area. Can you say mud slides? I was watching the weather map yesterday and the storm seemed centered on L.A. Today I checked and it looked like it was centered on L.A. I saw a weather report showing the cloud pattern. It’s like a river of moisture in the clouds hauling ass coming from the North in the Pacific and then making an abrupt 90 degree turn towards California and dumping a ton of rain.

In AZ we always get the leftovers from California storms depending on the time of year. We are predicted to get 4 days of possible rain starting Tuesday.

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Looks like the government doesn't want the citizens of Lahaina, Maui which they have lived in for thousands of years to get kicked out of the area.
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I am not clicking that. I don't take my news from "WallStreetApes."

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Mori Chu wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:22 pm
I am not clicking that. I don't take my news from "WallStreetApes."
Smh, I don't know what to tell you. You aren't going to get herpes from it, lol.

Here is what he says:

The Mainstream Media Wants You To Forget About The Lahaina, Maui, Hawaii Fires. Thankfully We Have Citizen Journalists

“This is a Maui update, and there's a bill being introduced today that addresses the following:

- First is they wanna establish an authority to develop plans to redevelop areas affected by disaster. The people of Lahaina are adamantly opposed to this because it brings people that are not from Lahaina into Lahaina, in positions to make decisions for how they move forward.

- Second is the bill establishes an income tax credit to incentivize the voluntary relinquishment of property located in areas affected by disaster. That one speaks for itself.

- Third and most alarming is this bill directs the attorney general to commence imminent domain proceedings.

So, um, this is interesting…”
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Does anyone have the heart to tell her? The longer clip, she also suggest cicadas too.
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In2ition wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:07 am
Looks like the government doesn't want the citizens of Lahaina, Maui which they have lived in for thousands of years to get kicked out of the area.
Here are the key points regarding the proposed bill related to the Lahaina wildfires:

Establishing a Lele Community District and Board:
- The bill (SB3381) aims to establish the Lele Community District and an elected Lele Community Board to facilitate rebuilding efforts in Lahaina after the devastating 2023 wildfires. [1][18]
- The board would be empowered to develop redevelopment plans and new land-use rules for the affected areas. [3]
- However, there are concerns that this could conflict with existing county planning efforts and the county's Office of Recovery. The mayor and some community groups have expressed opposition to having an outside elected board make decisions. [3]

Voluntary Property Relinquishment and Eminent Domain:
- The bill proposes creating an income tax credit to incentivize voluntary relinquishment of properties located in disaster-affected areas. [1][3]
- It also directs the attorney general to commence eminent domain proceedings, which is described as the "most alarming" aspect by some residents. [1][3]
- There are worries that this one-size-fits-all approach disregards individual situations and could be unconstitutional by excluding new residents. [3]

Funding and Controversy:
- The bill appropriates $200 million to support the rebuilding efforts governed by the Lele board. [18]
- While aimed at empowering West Maui residents, the bill has faced opposition from the county government, community groups like Lahaina Strong, and some state officials over potential conflicts with existing recovery efforts. [3][18]
- There are also concerns about the constitutionality of certain provisions like the property relinquishment incentives and eminent domain authority. [1][3]

So in summary, while intended to aid Lahaina's rebuilding, the proposed bill has proven controversial due to fears of overriding local control, potential constitutional issues around property rights, and conflicts with the county's existing recovery framework. The search results highlight the complex challenges in balancing disaster response efforts.

Citations:
[1] 1000003020.jpg https://pplx-res.cloudinary.com/image/u ... 003020.jpg
[2] Bills To Monitor Maui's Air And Water Quality After The Lahaina Disaster ... https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/bills ... g-forward/
[3] Contention billows from Lahaina rebuilding board bill | Honolulu Star ... https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/02/ ... oard-bill/
[4] News Flash • County of Maui proposing three billing categori https://www.mauicounty.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=12942
[5] FAQs • Maui County • CivicEngage https://www.mauicounty.gov/faq.aspx
[6] [PDF] testimony of - Hawaii State Legislature https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions ... 06-24_.PDF
[7] Mayor Bissen announces effort to make short-ter - Maui County https://www.mauicounty.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=13067
[8] [PDF] Support of SB 3196 - Hawaii State Legislature https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions ... 14-24_.PDF
[9] The APEs Can Be Saved - Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... n-be-saved
[10] Determining the inland extent of Hawaii's coastal zone boundaries https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CZI ... -no-14.htm
[11] Hawaii's housing crisis deemed 'eminently solvable' https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2023 ... -solvable/
[12] [PDF] BILL057(22) Testimony - Honolulu Legislative Documents https://hnldoc.ehawaii.gov/hnldoc/docum ... d?id=15931
[13] In major step forward, council approves plan for clearing fire ... https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/10/1 ... s-lahaina/
[14] Deceptively edited US Capitol attack footage refuels FBI conspiracy theories | Fact Check https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.33V73LP
[15] Fact Check: Is Ukraine Photo of Organ Harvesting Victims' 'Mass Grave'? - Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-ukr ... ve-1816455
[16] Maui Theory About Blue Objects Being Saved from Wildfires Is Baseless - Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/maui-theory-bl ... ss-1821849
[17] Proposed HECO Bailout Bill Could Force The Utility Company To ... https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/02/propo ... structure/
[18] [PDF] Senate Committees on Energy, Economic Development, and ... https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions ... 14-24_.PDF
[19] Legislature could allow more houses on smaller lots ... - All Hawaii News https://www.allhawaiinews.com/2024/03/l ... n.html?m=1
[20] Rebuilding Nonconforming Structures After Lahaina Fire > Hawaii Free ... https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Article ... haina-Fire
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Does it sound like the people of Lahaina are going to get screwed or not?
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In2ition wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:21 pm
Does anyone have the heart to tell her? The longer clip, she also suggest cicadas too.
She's wrong about most of that. But I don't think anybody looks to The View for climate policy expertise. They aren't a congressional committee.

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Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:50 am
In2ition wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:21 pm
Does anyone have the heart to tell her? The longer clip, she also suggest cicadas too.
She's wrong about most of that. But I don't think anybody looks to The View for climate policy expertise. They aren't a congressional committee.
She's wrong about all of that. I don't think that anybody should look to the The View for any type of expertise, tbh.
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Ok, this isn't The View, but thought it was kind of funny and relates. Why does no one tell her? Sometimes, reality is stranger than fiction.
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I was going to talk about this in the Tesla folder but it gets political, so I put it here.

I have had the same tax lady for over 30 years. She’s a die hard Maga supporter and whenever I get my taxes done I have to put up with her rambling on about the evil Dems. I certainly don’t tell her I voted for Biden. I bought a new Tesla in June. It’s supposed to get a $7500 tax break. She put the info in her tax program and told me my car doesn’t get the $7500 refund because Biden and the evil Dems hate Musk because he bought Twitter. Because of that they made it so all EV’s have to be made by union workers or the car doesn’t qualify for a tax refund.

I have poured over the rules and it says nothing about unions anywhere. It says the car must be manufactured in the US and most of its components have to come from America. Nothing about evil Dems and unions. Tesla told me I get the full $7500 refund when I bought it. There is a Clean Vehicle report Tesla gives for tax purposes to claim the $7500 and it says $7500 right on it. I searched publications till I was blue in the face and they all say the Tesla model Y extended range gets the full $7500. I went to a US Government site where you can put in your make model and year to see if it qualifies and it said it gets the $7500 tax break. A good friend of mine bought the exact same car a month before me and got his full $7500 refund.

My tax lady is adamant that the government says I don’t get the full refund and just get $2000. You get the full $7500 if you meet all the criteria. If you don’t meet one of the two criteria you get half or $3740. If you don’t meet the other one you get nothing. There is no $2000 version. I told my tax lady that I am positive I get the full refund and that I saw nothing about unions anywhere in the criteria. I asked her to file for an extension and I am going to go with another tax preparer because she is nuts.

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That's horrible. I wonder if there are some ethic complaint you can file?
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Yeah, I don't know why you put up with that. I just tell people like that that I'm not interested in talking politics with them and to keep politics out of it. Keep it professional. Sounds like a costly mistake to continue with her for so long but I know how hard it is to change once something seems to be working for a long period of time.

I helped my mom break up with her tax person this year. I just told her tax person that we appreciate her past work but we're going to go in a different direction. My mom didn't want to do it. (Tell her; she wanted the change.) I also had to recently break up with my realtor since 2016 who helped me buy my current house that I'm selling. He had stayed in contact the entire time. Sent me a Christmas card every year. Brought me a personal gift when we met to discuss selling of my house. Definitely social engineering. Made it hard for me to tell him I had decided to go in a different direction with another realtor. (Instead of selling it as is, I'm doing major renovations in an attempt to get top dollar.)
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