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3rdside wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:20 pm
I found this in one of my folders looking for something else - a list of all the interventions by the USA in foreign countries.

The list is, how do you say it .... long as f*** - so long I had to split it into two posts:
Long AF for sure. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.

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Nodack wrote:
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Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.
We keep our boys busy to justify paying trillions to defense contractors and warmongers. And that is why we lose these 'wars.' It doesn't matter if we win to them, as long as we keep fighting. Just like Gillette, they don't make money when they sell you a tool that works great and doesn't get used up. They need to sell you the same thing millions of times over, then have slight improvements every 5-10 years.

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Indy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:19 pm
Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:15 pm
Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.
We keep our boys busy to justify paying trillions to defense contractors and warmongers. And that is why we lose these 'wars.' It doesn't matter if we win to them, as long as we keep fighting. Just like Gillette, they don't make money when they sell you a tool that works great and doesn't get used up. They need to sell you the same thing millions of times over, then have slight improvements every 5-10 years.
You got to keep up with the Jones’s. :) I see it from your side totally. I also see it from the other side. We are still a super power and there are rivals seeking to dethrone us at all times, namely China and Russia and a couple rogue nations like NK and Iran who don’t really like us. China is building like crazy right now and just about to unseat us in Naval ships and has been threatening Taiwan more and more each passing day. We can’t let our guard down. We let our military get defunded after WWII and when the Korean war started we had crap for an army and no weapons. The Americans were pushed back to the bottom tip of Korea militarily. We eventually got it together thanks to MacArthur’s sneaky move that cut off the country in the middle and then we pushed them all the way back to China, who stormed across the border and pushed us all the way back to the 38th parallel where they called a truce.

My point I guess is stay prepared but don’t start needless wars. Contractors will want them to upgrade everything all the time so they can keep making money and pay their employees. If they have to shut down because the US isn’t buying enough stuff that could have an effect on our readiness in the future when they are out of business. The military is Socialism. The military suppliers are private but we can’t afford to let the big ones fail so, we are always buying new stuff sort of subsidizing their existence.

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Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm
Indy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:19 pm
Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:15 pm
Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.
We keep our boys busy to justify paying trillions to defense contractors and warmongers. And that is why we lose these 'wars.' It doesn't matter if we win to them, as long as we keep fighting. Just like Gillette, they don't make money when they sell you a tool that works great and doesn't get used up. They need to sell you the same thing millions of times over, then have slight improvements every 5-10 years.
You got to keep up with the Jones’s. :) I see it from your side totally. I also see it from the other side. We are still a super power and there are rivals seeking to dethrone us at all times, namely China and Russia and a couple rogue nations like NK and Iran who don’t really like us. China is building like crazy right now and just about to unseat us in Naval ships and has been threatening Taiwan more and more each passing day. We can’t let our guard down. We let our military get defunded after WWII and when the Korean war started we had crap for an army and no weapons. The Americans were pushed back to the bottom tip of Korea militarily. We eventually got it together thanks to MacArthur’s sneaky move that cut off the country in the middle and then we pushed them all the way back to China, who stormed across the border and pushed us all the way back to the 38th parallel where they called a truce.

My point I guess is stay prepared but don’t start needless wars. Contractors will want them to upgrade everything all the time so they can keep making money and pay their employees. If they have to shut down because the US isn’t buying enough stuff that could have an effect on our readiness in the future when they are out of business. The military is Socialism. The military suppliers are private but we can’t afford to let the big ones fail so, we are always buying new stuff sort of subsidizing their existence.
How many on that list above were needed?

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All wars are dumb and not needed. They still happen. If we didn’t intervene in Korea there would be no N Korea or S Korea, there would just be Korea that would be the N Korea version.

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Are you sure the US involvement didn't embolden China more, and create the super restrictive regime that NK is now?

And wasn't the same thing said about Viet Nam?

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Just awful. British politicians make themselves available to their constituents much more than US ones, but they shouldn't be be to feel threatened at every public assistance. Do they yet know the motives of the killer?

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Not that I could find. Being an MP seems a bit dangerous. 6 have been killed since WWII.
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PM urged to enact ‘David’s law’ against social media abuse after Amess’s death
Calls for crackdown on threats to public figures and an end to online anonymity
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... esss-death
Boris Johnson is facing calls to enact “David’s law” to crack down on social media abuse of public figures and end online anonymity in the wake of the killing of Sir David Amess.

Campaigners have warned, however, that ending online anonymity could put whistleblowers and pro-democracy campaigners in authoritarian regimes at risk. Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, told the Commons that “civility in politics matters” but “we must not lose sight of the fact that David’s killing was an [alleged] act of terror on the streets of our country”.

Mark Francois, who described Amess as one of his closest friends and his political mentor, vowed he would dedicate his time in parliament to overhauling the rules governing social media.

Francois told the Commons he was “minded to drag Mark Zuckerberg [CEO of Facebook] and Jack Dorsey [CEO of Twitter] to the bar of the house … if necessary kicking and screaming so they can look us all in the eye and account for their actions or rather their inactions that make them even richer than they already are”.

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Just saw this. Weren't there a couple resignations recently over corruption? This definitely sounds ominous.


Australia's NSW state premier resigns over corruption probe amid COVID-19 battle
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SYDNEY, Oct 1 (Reuters) - The premier of Australia's biggest state economy New South Wales (NSW), Gladys Berejiklian, resigned on Friday after a corruption watchdog said it was investigating whether she was involved in conduct that "constituted or involved a breach of public trust".

Berejiklian's shock resignation comes as the state, which has an economy larger than Singapore, Thailand or Malaysia, battles the biggest COVID-19 outbreak in the country and is poised to begin ending months-long lockdowns as Australia sets to reopen international borders in November. read more
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The biggest outbreak in the country peaked at 1,500 cases a day and about 11 deaths.

We’re down to 300 cases a day and 5 deaths and lockdown is fully over here for the double vaccinated.

Gladys has definitely done wrong, and she had to go - from what I can tell - but I think feelings were the culprit (falling for a slightly corrupt other politician) rather than anything intentionally malicious from the outset…

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I've only half kept an eye on Australia, but I did see this too. I don't know how much fire is from this smoke, but it is curious.
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Haven’t got time to watch atm, but that’s not to say there isn’t a slightly uncomfortable feeling of right wing corruption and police state-y ness over here, arguably facilitated by the excessive penetration of Murdoch media.

I’ve been pulled over or lectured by the cops five times in just over a year, bouncers seem to love telling me I can’t go into the bar, and even the lifeguards are constantly telling everyone what they can’t do, with their microphones on the beach in Bondi.

“They” would argue it’s the price you pay for having the highest living standards in the world, but I strongly disagree with that.

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