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Re: World Politics

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:12 pm
by Indy
3rdside wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:20 pm
I found this in one of my folders looking for something else - a list of all the interventions by the USA in foreign countries.

The list is, how do you say it .... long as f*** - so long I had to split it into two posts:
Long AF for sure. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:15 pm
by Nodack
Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:19 pm
by Indy
Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:15 pm
Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.
We keep our boys busy to justify paying trillions to defense contractors and warmongers. And that is why we lose these 'wars.' It doesn't matter if we win to them, as long as we keep fighting. Just like Gillette, they don't make money when they sell you a tool that works great and doesn't get used up. They need to sell you the same thing millions of times over, then have slight improvements every 5-10 years.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm
by Nodack
Indy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:19 pm
Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:15 pm
Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.
We keep our boys busy to justify paying trillions to defense contractors and warmongers. And that is why we lose these 'wars.' It doesn't matter if we win to them, as long as we keep fighting. Just like Gillette, they don't make money when they sell you a tool that works great and doesn't get used up. They need to sell you the same thing millions of times over, then have slight improvements every 5-10 years.
You got to keep up with the Jones’s. :) I see it from your side totally. I also see it from the other side. We are still a super power and there are rivals seeking to dethrone us at all times, namely China and Russia and a couple rogue nations like NK and Iran who don’t really like us. China is building like crazy right now and just about to unseat us in Naval ships and has been threatening Taiwan more and more each passing day. We can’t let our guard down. We let our military get defunded after WWII and when the Korean war started we had crap for an army and no weapons. The Americans were pushed back to the bottom tip of Korea militarily. We eventually got it together thanks to MacArthur’s sneaky move that cut off the country in the middle and then we pushed them all the way back to China, who stormed across the border and pushed us all the way back to the 38th parallel where they called a truce.

My point I guess is stay prepared but don’t start needless wars. Contractors will want them to upgrade everything all the time so they can keep making money and pay their employees. If they have to shut down because the US isn’t buying enough stuff that could have an effect on our readiness in the future when they are out of business. The military is Socialism. The military suppliers are private but we can’t afford to let the big ones fail so, we are always buying new stuff sort of subsidizing their existence.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:50 am
by Indy
Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm
Indy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:19 pm
Nodack wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:15 pm
Sounds like we like to keep our boys busy to justify their existence. On the other hand when we have been unprepared we have gotten bit.
We keep our boys busy to justify paying trillions to defense contractors and warmongers. And that is why we lose these 'wars.' It doesn't matter if we win to them, as long as we keep fighting. Just like Gillette, they don't make money when they sell you a tool that works great and doesn't get used up. They need to sell you the same thing millions of times over, then have slight improvements every 5-10 years.
You got to keep up with the Jones’s. :) I see it from your side totally. I also see it from the other side. We are still a super power and there are rivals seeking to dethrone us at all times, namely China and Russia and a couple rogue nations like NK and Iran who don’t really like us. China is building like crazy right now and just about to unseat us in Naval ships and has been threatening Taiwan more and more each passing day. We can’t let our guard down. We let our military get defunded after WWII and when the Korean war started we had crap for an army and no weapons. The Americans were pushed back to the bottom tip of Korea militarily. We eventually got it together thanks to MacArthur’s sneaky move that cut off the country in the middle and then we pushed them all the way back to China, who stormed across the border and pushed us all the way back to the 38th parallel where they called a truce.

My point I guess is stay prepared but don’t start needless wars. Contractors will want them to upgrade everything all the time so they can keep making money and pay their employees. If they have to shut down because the US isn’t buying enough stuff that could have an effect on our readiness in the future when they are out of business. The military is Socialism. The military suppliers are private but we can’t afford to let the big ones fail so, we are always buying new stuff sort of subsidizing their existence.
How many on that list above were needed?

Re: World Politics

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:13 am
by Nodack
All wars are dumb and not needed. They still happen. If we didn’t intervene in Korea there would be no N Korea or S Korea, there would just be Korea that would be the N Korea version.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:04 pm
by Indy
Are you sure the US involvement didn't embolden China more, and create the super restrictive regime that NK is now?

And wasn't the same thing said about Viet Nam?

Re: World Politics

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:13 pm
by In2ition


Re: World Politics

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:16 pm
by Mori Chu
Just awful. British politicians make themselves available to their constituents much more than US ones, but they shouldn't be be to feel threatened at every public assistance. Do they yet know the motives of the killer?

Re: World Politics

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:16 pm
by In2ition
Not that I could find. Being an MP seems a bit dangerous. 6 have been killed since WWII.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:11 pm
by Nodack
PM urged to enact ‘David’s law’ against social media abuse after Amess’s death
Calls for crackdown on threats to public figures and an end to online anonymity
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... esss-death
Boris Johnson is facing calls to enact “David’s law” to crack down on social media abuse of public figures and end online anonymity in the wake of the killing of Sir David Amess.

Campaigners have warned, however, that ending online anonymity could put whistleblowers and pro-democracy campaigners in authoritarian regimes at risk. Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, told the Commons that “civility in politics matters” but “we must not lose sight of the fact that David’s killing was an [alleged] act of terror on the streets of our country”.

Mark Francois, who described Amess as one of his closest friends and his political mentor, vowed he would dedicate his time in parliament to overhauling the rules governing social media.

Francois told the Commons he was “minded to drag Mark Zuckerberg [CEO of Facebook] and Jack Dorsey [CEO of Twitter] to the bar of the house … if necessary kicking and screaming so they can look us all in the eye and account for their actions or rather their inactions that make them even richer than they already are”.

Re: World Politics

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:30 am
by In2ition