2018 Trade Deadline

[Indy]

Yeah, I'm a fan of TJ. We need to find additional talent to surround he and Booker.

TJ could be a #3 guy on a championship team. I think he either needs to improve his D or get a reliable 3 from the corner, but other than that, he is right there.

No way man. He is a 1 trick pony. You can’t have that as your third best guy.

Is the one trick you are referring to being able to score with extremely high percentages in the paint without any plays being run for you? It takes so much pressure off the offense. Especially when our only offense is "let's see what Devin can create for us." You would be surprised how efficient he is at scoring for a SF playing starters minutes. He is probably top 10.

[Mori Chu]

TJ is underrated by some here. He's really talented. He can be a part of our core when we are finally a good team. He's probably good enough to be the (borderline) #2 or #3 guy on a contender, especially if he improves his 3-point shot.

[LazarusLong]

T.J. is a bigger, stronger version of Ced Ceballos -- an opportunistic scorer.
And like it or not, Warren has the best inside game on the team.
With his strength, he can play some small-ball 4, if need be.
The long distance shooting will come with time ... besides, the Suns already have enough guys chucking bad treys.

[specialsauce]

Yeah, I'm a fan of TJ. We need to find additional talent to surround he and Booker.

TJ could be a #3 guy on a championship team. I think he either needs to improve his D or get a reliable 3 from the corner, but other than that, he is right there.

No way man. He is a 1 trick pony. You can’t have that as your third best guy.

Is the one trick you are referring to being able to score with extremely high percentages in the paint without any plays being run for you? It takes so much pressure off the offense. Especially when our only offense is "let's see what Devin can create for us." You would be surprised how efficient he is at scoring for a SF playing starters minutes. He is probably top 10.

He’s got Shawn Marion syndrome, puts up the points to make you think he could lead a team, but really it’s obvious he’s a super role player. He doesn’t pass well at all (historically bad), he is an average rebounder, he can’t hit the 3 ball worth a damn, and he is not a good defender.

He is IMO best fit as a microwave off the bench. Jamal Crawford, Jordan Clarkson, Lou Williams, TJ Warren.

[Indy]

Nobody is saying he can lead a team to a championship. I said he could be the #3 guy on a great team if he improved D or his 3...

[O_Gardino]

You've got to give up someone good if you are going to get someone good back. I love TJ, and I sure hope GMs around the league do to.

[INFORMER]

He doesn’t pass well at all (historically bad), he is an average rebounder, he can’t hit the 3 ball worth a damn, and he is not a good defender.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: he HAS TO become a better rebounder or better 3-point shooter. The fact that he isn't a plus in either category hurts his overall effectiveness, especially as a small ball 4.

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah, I'm a fan of TJ. We need to find additional talent to surround he and Booker.

TJ could be a #3 guy on a championship team. I think he either needs to improve his D or get a reliable 3 from the corner, but other than that, he is right there.

No way man. He is a 1 trick pony. You can’t have that as your third best guy.

Is the one trick you are referring to being able to score with extremely high percentages in the paint without any plays being run for you? It takes so much pressure off the offense. Especially when our only offense is "let's see what Devin can create for us." You would be surprised how efficient he is at scoring for a SF playing starters minutes. He is probably top 10.

He’s got Shawn Marion syndrome, puts up the points to make you think he could lead a team, but really it’s obvious he’s a super role player. He doesn’t pass well at all (historically bad), he is an average rebounder, he can’t hit the 3 ball worth a damn, and he is not a good defender.

He is IMO best fit as a microwave off the bench. Jamal Crawford, Jordan Clarkson, Lou Williams, TJ Warren.

Its not that he doesn't pass well, its that he doesn't pass. Its not his game. TJ rarely receives the ball on the perimeter. He is usually cutting. And he gets passes when he is in position to shoot. That is how he should play.

[specialsauce]

I completely disagree

[carey]

I completely disagree

To which part? Warren is clearly a finisher and not a playmaker or distributor. Are you taking exception to the "how he should play" part of the comment?

[In2ition]

Did I miss it, did anyone talk about Aaron Gordon being made available? I guess that the Magic don't want to pay him Max money.

[INFORMER]

I like him, but his shooting percentages are pretty low, and he hasn't been the shot-blocking threat I felt he could be. Giving him a big deal is a scary proposition

[specialsauce]

I completely disagree

To which part? Warren is clearly a finisher and not a playmaker or distributor. Are you taking exception to the "how he should play" part of the comment?

Yes. Every night I see multiple possessions where he gets the ball at the free throw line, ignores an open shooter in the corner OR in multiple cases ignores another teammate who has a clear mismatch (IE Bender posting up the PG and calling for the ball) and drives it in and takes a wild floater. He doesn't make any of his teammates around him better, and ultimately the team is way worse off because his teammates are not involved and not in a rhythm, especially when he drops a complete fart of a game (like tonight)

[JCSunsfan]

I completely disagree

To which part? Warren is clearly a finisher and not a playmaker or distributor. Are you taking exception to the "how he should play" part of the comment?

Yes. Every night I see multiple possessions where he gets the ball at the free throw line, ignores an open shooter in the corner OR in multiple cases ignores another teammate who has a clear mismatch (IE Bender posting up the PG and calling for the ball) and drives it in and takes a wild floater. He doesn't make any of his teammates around him better, and ultimately the team is way worse off because his teammates are not involved and not in a rhythm, especially when he drops a complete fart of a game (like tonight)

The guy is making 52% of his two point shots and his turnover % is one of the lowest on the team. He makes other teammates better by finishing the passes they throw. No finish, no assist. I guess we are never going to agree on this. I've said my piece.

[Split T]

If Warren wants to be anything more than just a specialist. He needs to add to his game. He's a fantastic scorer from 18 feet in, but that's literally the only thing he does. I think what he does is very useful, but he'll never be a core piece (top 3-4 guys) if that's all he does. He's a luxury, not an essential piece.

Defense, rebounding, creating for others, 3 pt shooting. He offers none of those.

[Split T]

Did I miss it, did anyone talk about Aaron Gordon being made available? I guess that the Magic don't want to pay him Max money.

I heard they want a high pick for him. I like Gordon, but no chance I'd move our unprotected pick for him. I'd do Chriss and the Milwaukee 1st. I'm not offering more than that because he's a free agent this summer and we'll probably have to pay him the max and that's probably an over pay. His shooting % are dropping and he hasn't become the Marion like defensive player I thought he would. Still, he's a lot further along than Chriss and there's not a lot of cap space floating around this summer, leaving the possibility of us signing him at under the max.

[Mori Chu]

I was just looking up Aaron Gordon's stats. He's averaging 18.4 ppg on .447/.346/.718 shooting; 8.3 rpg; 2.2 apg; 0.7 bpg in 34 minutes/game. The thing that surprised me a bit is that he's just 22 years old. Thought he was more like 25ish.

His shooting percentages and his defensive stats are pretty bleh. I like Gordon a lot, but if the max is the asking price, he probably isn't worth it. He'd have to improve a lot in ways that players don't often improve a lot.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/306 ... ron-gordon

[Split T]

There's talk of Spencer Dinwiddie being available. Nets want a first for him. Would you give up the Miami pick for him? He's kinda exactly what we want next to Booker, right? How is Dinwiddie as a defender?

[Cap]

There's talk of Spencer Dinwiddie being available. Nets want a first for him. Would you give up the Miami pick for him? He's kinda exactly what we want next to Booker, right? How is Dinwiddie as a defender?

Who cares how he defends? Let's get him just because it's fun to say "Spencer Dinwiddie."

[JCSunsfan]

There's talk of Spencer Dinwiddie being available. Nets want a first for him. Would you give up the Miami pick for him? He's kinda exactly what we want next to Booker, right? How is Dinwiddie as a defender?

Not the Miami pick. Maybe the Milwaukee pick. Three second round picks would be even better.