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Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
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I like this deal even more after sleeping on it for a night.
It's a little more annual salary than I think he's worth right now, but if Oubre sees himself as a star-level player, he'll have two years to prove it while not feeling completely shafted on his current deal. If he goes up a level and the Suns want to re-sign him, they'll have his Bird rights which will enable them to go over the cap to retain him.
It's a little more annual salary than I think he's worth right now, but if Oubre sees himself as a star-level player, he'll have two years to prove it while not feeling completely shafted on his current deal. If he goes up a level and the Suns want to re-sign him, they'll have his Bird rights which will enable them to go over the cap to retain him.
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Yup. Shoulda let Bledsoe walk and never even thought about Brandon Knight. Dragic/Isaiah Thomas would have been a good start. They should never have crapped on the Suns traditional style and identity. Lots of people should have retired Suns that didn't.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:14 pmMcD was too much on the hunt for a deal that he wrecked the team. Dragic should have retired a sun and we should have built the team at other positions in lieu of signing a trio of PGs.
Players, coaches, staff..... we've run off a list of NBA legends in one capacity or another. Nash, Hill, Majerle, Hornacek, Stoudemire.... we may as well be an expansion team drafting for the first time.Pips wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:58 amIf u ask Marion, JJ, Dragić - totaly deservedMarty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:50 amThe Suns under Sarver, whether totally deserved or not, have a reputation of being cheap and not treating players the best.
If there was ever a year that was lined up perfectly from the basketball gods.... fated for Phoenix.... left as a gift for the ages.....the first year we EVER get the #1.... a rookie superstar available..... that is made precisely for the type of play Phoenix was always known for.... that could step right in and make the machine operate.... in true Suns fashion.... they pick the modern Bowie/Oden over Jordan/Durant.
Fingers crossed, but if we make anything of this year and our new roster, it will be in spite of Sarver, not because of. A once great fanchise has been decimated. All eggs are in the Rubio basket..... and for the first time in awhile, I will at least be watching....
Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
I think he is clearly worth more than the MLE. So I don't think it is over priced. Really, the only thing I wish were different would be a team option on a 3rd year. So a 3 yr/45M with a declining salary each year, with a team option on year 3. He gets paid his 35 or so guaranteed over the first 2 years, then we get a team option on a lesser deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pmI like this deal even more after sleeping on it for a night.
It's a little more annual salary than I think he's worth right now, but if Oubre sees himself as a star-level player, he'll have two years to prove it while not feeling completely shafted on his current deal. If he goes up a level and the Suns want to re-sign him, they'll have his Bird rights which will enable them to go over the cap to retain him.
But to Jones' point, that would mean Ayton, Bridges, and Oubre are all up the same year. Makes it hard.
Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
Are we allowed to sign Oubre to an extension next summer?
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I agree, but the MLE is way more than his $15M/year average. I think his current value is closer to $12M/year.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:02 pmI think he is clearly worth more than the MLE. So I don't think it is over priced. Really, the only thing I wish were different would be a team option on a 3rd year. So a 3 yr/45M with a declining salary each year, with a team option on year 3. He gets paid his 35 or so guaranteed over the first 2 years, then we get a team option on a lesser deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pmI like this deal even more after sleeping on it for a night.
It's a little more annual salary than I think he's worth right now, but if Oubre sees himself as a star-level player, he'll have two years to prove it while not feeling completely shafted on his current deal. If he goes up a level and the Suns want to re-sign him, they'll have his Bird rights which will enable them to go over the cap to retain him.
But to Jones' point, that would mean Ayton, Bridges, and Oubre are all up the same year. Makes it hard.
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Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
Isn't MLE 10M/year? Yeah 15 is more than 10, but he is that much better for this team. I mean Marcus just got a 15M contract and he is an asshole FOE douche.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:26 pmI agree, but the MLE is way more than his $15M/year average. I think his current value is closer to $12M/year.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:02 pmI think he is clearly worth more than the MLE. So I don't think it is over priced. Really, the only thing I wish were different would be a team option on a 3rd year. So a 3 yr/45M with a declining salary each year, with a team option on year 3. He gets paid his 35 or so guaranteed over the first 2 years, then we get a team option on a lesser deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pmI like this deal even more after sleeping on it for a night.
It's a little more annual salary than I think he's worth right now, but if Oubre sees himself as a star-level player, he'll have two years to prove it while not feeling completely shafted on his current deal. If he goes up a level and the Suns want to re-sign him, they'll have his Bird rights which will enable them to go over the cap to retain him.
But to Jones' point, that would mean Ayton, Bridges, and Oubre are all up the same year. Makes it hard.
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Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
It's closer to $9M/year, but whatever. I just think locking him into a long term salary that averages $15M+/year is too risky. I need to see him become more consistent and go up a level overall to justify a 3-4 year commitment. I can stomach it for two years.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:31 pmIsn't MLE 10M/year? Yeah 15 is more than 10, but he is that much better for this team. I mean Marcus just got a 15M contract and he is an asshole FOE douche.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:26 pmI agree, but the MLE is way more than his $15M/year average. I think his current value is closer to $12M/year.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:02 pmI think he is clearly worth more than the MLE. So I don't think it is over priced. Really, the only thing I wish were different would be a team option on a 3rd year. So a 3 yr/45M with a declining salary each year, with a team option on year 3. He gets paid his 35 or so guaranteed over the first 2 years, then we get a team option on a lesser deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pmI like this deal even more after sleeping on it for a night.
It's a little more annual salary than I think he's worth right now, but if Oubre sees himself as a star-level player, he'll have two years to prove it while not feeling completely shafted on his current deal. If he goes up a level and the Suns want to re-sign him, they'll have his Bird rights which will enable them to go over the cap to retain him.
But to Jones' point, that would mean Ayton, Bridges, and Oubre are all up the same year. Makes it hard.
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Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
I guess I see this year's salary as free. We had his bird rights and could over the cap to sign him, so it didn't prevent us from doing anything else. And we front loaded it, so next year is only 14.4. Let's hope he blows that out of the water and makes it worth signing him to a longer term deal.
Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
the only 3 worth keeping are rubio, tyler johnson and ty jerome. the rest wont get any PT.
livingston on a one year deal can help the sans transition from a lottery team to a playoff team.
once they sign him, tyler johnson can move to off guard. cam johnson doesnt need to be the primary backup at SF since the depth chart at sf will be kelly, mikal, cam. (or mikal, kelly, cam). He'll be the third string sf unless one of the forwards goes down with an injury.
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Shaun Livingston isn’t extending his career to play for a bottom dwelling organization. Let’s just stop.
Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
C'mon, Sauce! He is clearly the difference maker. He would make us a legit playoff team.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:30 amShaun Livingston isn’t extending his career to play for a bottom dwelling organization. Let’s just stop.
Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
I do like Livingston. But we have too many PGs, and we have no cap space, so he'd have to accept a minimum contract. I don't see why he would want to play for such a bad team, come off the bench, and not get many minutes, all for minimum pay.
Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
Why are we really talking about this?
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Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
the suns only have 3 legit pgs (and tj can move to off guard to make room), and i think this team is in play for the 8th seed (suns will have a better record than dallas, i'm willing to make that bet). i believe livingston will accept a one year deal if no other team is willing to pay his asking price.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:02 amI do like Livingston. But we have too many PGs, and we have no cap space, so he'd have to accept a minimum contract. I don't see why he would want to play for such a bad team, come off the bench, and not get many minutes, all for minimum pay.
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Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
Seems like the plan is to try to get the team good enough in the next two years to make the playoffs. Develop Booker and Ayton into All-stars. And keep enough cap flexibility to go after a 3rd guy. And hopefully Jerome and Cam turn into serviceable players that we can trade if need be.
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Re: Tsunami Papi is Back! - Kelly Oubre Jr. Signs for 2 Years, $30 Mil
Maybe we have the 3rd guy already. Oubre, Bridges, Saric? Guys can emerge just the same.
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