Split T wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:30 pmThe Nash like effect I’m talking about is the suns going from 27 wins to 62 wins after signing Nash. We had a very talented team that just needed someone to run it. Nash controlled everything on that team. We literally lost 6 games in a row when he got hurt. Rubio will not be the vital to the team. He’s going to help, he’ll get players better looks, but we won’t be close to a 35 win turnaround.3rdside wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:00 amWhat is a Nash like effect?Split T wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:20 amThis does help dispel the notion that Rubio might have a Nash like effect on this team...which I’ve seen a few times on here. Rubio will help us, but we’re not handing the keys over to him. This team still lives and dies on Booker/Ayton. Rubio helps put Booker into the role he should be playing on offense, which should make things easier on him. But Rubio is still just a complimentary player.jonh wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:12 amWhat percentage of the cap did Fisher and H***y take up? My guess is that it was far less than Rubio's percentage with the Suns. Sure, this is an imperfect way to measure a player's impact, but it does suggest it may be foolish to assume Rubio will be a massive game changer.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:42 pm
So I suppose that all those Fisher and H***y’s teams won the champioship because they were built around those two, right?
Your premise is really flawed here. Rubio was drafted as a teenage wonder but right next to another PG, so that should show for starters how committed was Minnesota to him. Even as those teams were maturing, he was not the keystone on them, he wasn’t either in Utah and he won’t be in Phoenix as well, Booker and Ayton are our main cogs, and Rubio is just a complementary piece. And even if a big one, you can point failure or success on him.
Im excited for October to be here already.
Off the top of my head:
- pass first point guard which generates greater team involvement which leads to;
- better chemistry via the promotion of team over hero ball e.g. everyone looks for the extra pass, both of which have a side effect of;
- inflating the statistics of the players around said pass first point guard.
Looking at Wiggins and KAT stats, Rubio looks like he could have a Nash like effect here in Phoenix.
Sorry bro, just nerding out on definitions.
"We had a very talented team that just needed someone to run it"
The sickest - would Rubio have got them to the playoffs? My guess is yes, pretty easily...Nash took less than 11 shots a game his first year here (Harden averaged 25 last year for reference, although Nash admits in hindsight he / the Suns got it wrong, that he should have shot more) so it was his facilitating that was the feature. Rubio should make it the same, even more so as his shooting isn't great.
Random causes for optimism:
- in his last three seasons in Minnesota Rubio averaged more assists / 36 than Nash did in his last 3 seasons in Dallas (10.0 vs 8.5)
- every season in Minnesota Rubio improved his shooting across the board, similar for Nash but he continued to improve even after he arrived in Phoenix.