When the vast majority of your elected representatives are in the 1% in America (or have a quick path to the 1% via their office), you are already losing control of the democracy. There is a reason incumbents are so difficult to beat in any election. They make millions and billions for their "constituents" that are not people.
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Which is why it's really class warfare. The Rs and Ds are fine fighting with each other because it divides the people and keeps them all (and their lobbyists) employed and wealthy. Media channels and outlets make billions as well.
Occupy Wall Street had the right idea with the 1%, but couldn't sustain. And here we are 12 years later bailing out corps with 500B when "there's not enough money" for other things.
Occupy Wall Street had the right idea with the 1%, but couldn't sustain. And here we are 12 years later bailing out corps with 500B when "there's not enough money" for other things.
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Even if he is voted out of office, the GOP continues to get more insane with each election cycle and still holds enough power.
The conservative line will be that Biden won because millions of illegals voted for him. Even if he is able to take office, he will not be able to govern. He will not be allowed to appoint a cabinet, or any judges, and will not get any legislation he can sign on any kind of remotely reasonable terms, including a budget or a debt ceiling increase.
The conservative line will be that Biden won because millions of illegals voted for him. Even if he is able to take office, he will not be able to govern. He will not be allowed to appoint a cabinet, or any judges, and will not get any legislation he can sign on any kind of remotely reasonable terms, including a budget or a debt ceiling increase.
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I told myself if Trump gets re-elected I will look into an Australian or Canadian citizenship... You guys are not helping with this.
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I know I don’t want Trump for a second term. I just really want him to learn humility.
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Dude. Wake up! Trump will never learn anything. Just let him go gently into the night.
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that is why the senate elections are so critical.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:39 pmEven if he is voted out of office, the GOP continues to get more insane with each election cycle and still holds enough power.
The conservative line will be that Biden won because millions of illegals voted for him. Even if he is able to take office, he will not be able to govern. He will not be allowed to appoint a cabinet, or any judges, and will not get any legislation he can sign on any kind of remotely reasonable terms, including a budget or a debt ceiling increase.
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The so-called 1% (really, the 2% or 3%) are the only ones with enough clout to take on those who have the real power in the US -- the 0.1%. Real wealth and power starts at 100 million USD and 90% of the 1% have something like 10 million USD or less.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:30 pmWhich is why it's really class warfare. The Rs and Ds are fine fighting with each other because it divides the people and keeps them all (and their lobbyists) employed and wealthy. Media channels and outlets make billions as well.
Occupy Wall Street had the right idea with the 1%, but couldn't sustain. And here we are 12 years later bailing out corps with 500B when "there's not enough money" for other things.
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The Senate elections are looking better. Burr really hurt himself, Collins is in trouble, Bullock has a great shot in Montana, and Gardner is looking shaky. And of course, Kelly is probably going to take down Martha. Even if the Dems lose Alabama, they can still win the Senate.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:22 amthat is why the senate elections are so critical.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:39 pmEven if he is voted out of office, the GOP continues to get more insane with each election cycle and still holds enough power.
The conservative line will be that Biden won because millions of illegals voted for him. Even if he is able to take office, he will not be able to govern. He will not be allowed to appoint a cabinet, or any judges, and will not get any legislation he can sign on any kind of remotely reasonable terms, including a budget or a debt ceiling increase.
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Incidentally, I've been in a position to witness the birth of a gray market in facemasks and personal protective equipment that is linking Chinese producers and American hospitals, giving a big middle finger both to slow-as-hell FDA regulations and trade war customs regulations. The doctors are hopping mad and even the procurement departments are moving fast. Been hearing about tens of millions of facemasks being sent to California and Texas among other places. Sane people are saving themselves from a broken system.
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Exactly. It is probably close to a 50/50 for the dems to win back the Senate right now. If more info comes out about how Trump spends that 500B slush fund that McConnell worked into the bill, it will only hurt the senators more.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:06 amThe Senate elections are looking better. Burr really hurt himself, Collins is in trouble, Bullock has a great shot in Montana, and Gardner is looking shaky. And of course, Kelly is probably going to take down Martha. Even if the Dems lose Alabama, they can still win the Senate.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:22 amthat is why the senate elections are so critical.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:39 pmEven if he is voted out of office, the GOP continues to get more insane with each election cycle and still holds enough power.
The conservative line will be that Biden won because millions of illegals voted for him. Even if he is able to take office, he will not be able to govern. He will not be allowed to appoint a cabinet, or any judges, and will not get any legislation he can sign on any kind of remotely reasonable terms, including a budget or a debt ceiling increase.
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And good luck finding a copy of that bill to read.
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I think 50/50 is optimistic, but there is hope.
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There are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.
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Ds have 47 now, if you count King and Sanders. Subtract Alamaba and the two fences and they have 44 secure. Assuming they have the VP, they need to win at least six of the eight “fences,” six of which are R-incumbent. Sure, it can happen, but it means a lot of things going right, and 50-50 seems optimistic to me.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 pmThere are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.
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I agree with most of your logic here. But I am gloomy about things like voter suppression getting in the way. To say nothing of the possibility of the election being mucked with or cancelled or delayed due to the virus.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 pmThere are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.
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Of course it seems optimistic to you when you are already assuming the Ds will lose all of their close races. You can't win elections by assuming you are going to lose.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:19 pmDs have 47 now, if you count King and Sanders. Subtract Alamaba and the two fences and they have 44 secure. Assuming they have the VP, they need to win at least six of the eight “fences,” six of which are R-incumbent. Sure, it can happen, but it means a lot of things going right, and 50-50 seems optimistic to me.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 pmThere are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.
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I’m not assuming any such thing. I’m just saying there’s greater than a 50-50 chance they’ll lose at least three of them. Losing all of them would be unlikely, but that’s not what it takes to keep power in GOP hands.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:32 pmOf course it seems optimistic to you when you are already assuming the Ds will lose all of their close races. You can't win elections by assuming you are going to lose.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:19 pmDs have 47 now, if you count King and Sanders. Subtract Alamaba and the two fences and they have 44 secure. Assuming they have the VP, they need to win at least six of the eight “fences,” six of which are R-incumbent. Sure, it can happen, but it means a lot of things going right, and 50-50 seems optimistic to me.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 pmThere are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.
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You literally said "assuming..." they have to win 6 of 8 GOP fences. That math means you assumed they lost their two fences.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:58 pmI’m not assuming any such thing. I’m just saying there’s greater than a 50-50 chance they’ll lose at least three of them. Losing all of them would be unlikely, but that’s not what it takes to keep power in GOP hands.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:32 pmOf course it seems optimistic to you when you are already assuming the Ds will lose all of their close races. You can't win elections by assuming you are going to lose.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:19 pmDs have 47 now, if you count King and Sanders. Subtract Alamaba and the two fences and they have 44 secure. Assuming they have the VP, they need to win at least six of the eight “fences,” six of which are R-incumbent. Sure, it can happen, but it means a lot of things going right, and 50-50 seems optimistic to me.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 pmThere are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.
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They have to win 6 of 8 total fences, two D fences and six R fences.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:31 amYou literally said "assuming..." they have to win 6 of 8 GOP fences. That math means you assumed they lost their two fences.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:58 pmI’m not assuming any such thing. I’m just saying there’s greater than a 50-50 chance they’ll lose at least three of them. Losing all of them would be unlikely, but that’s not what it takes to keep power in GOP hands.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:32 pmOf course it seems optimistic to you when you are already assuming the Ds will lose all of their close races. You can't win elections by assuming you are going to lose.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:19 pmDs have 47 now, if you count King and Sanders. Subtract Alamaba and the two fences and they have 44 secure. Assuming they have the VP, they need to win at least six of the eight “fences,” six of which are R-incumbent. Sure, it can happen, but it means a lot of things going right, and 50-50 seems optimistic to me.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 pm
There are only 12 D seats up for re-election, and 22 R seats. It is basically given that Alabama will go back from D to R. Other than that, there are two other Ds that are on the fence.
For the 22 Rs, 6 are on the fence, and you now have Bullock in MT and Susan Collins seems like a dead person walking, not to mention Kelly in AZ.