Coronavirus

[Nodack]

The day you, Trump and his supporters stop being anti US Government I’ll give it up.

[Indy]

One example is the Steele Dossier, it was claimed to be entirely truthful, but as we find out, it was completely made up and Sussman and Igor Danchanko have been indicted over it, and that's just the beginning. Of course, if I posted a story 3 yrs ago that said it was made up, you and others would have said it was a lying source. So, respectfully to you, what should I say to you?

Entirely made up? Republicans hired Steele to look into Trumps ties with Russia and once he got the nomination they gave up on it. Hillary then paid to keep up the investigation going even though Steele didn’t know who was funding it at that time. Clinton stopped paying for it and Steele didn’t stop because he believed in what he was doing and even shared his finding with authorities. Some of his sources were lying and the FBI who were doing their job busted them for it.

Yes, it was ENTIRELY made up. It was fabricated from conjecture, rumors and fantasy. You got to give it up.

I'm not fully sure where Durham is going, but so far it's starting to point to Clinton. Like I said before, Sussman and Danchanko won't be the last ones and it seems that the next ones will be Joe Biden’s current National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan is a likely target. Then, three former FBI officials as targets of the Durham probe: 1) former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe 2) former FBI Special Agent in the Counterintelligence Division, Peter Strzok and 3) former DOJ legal counsel to Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page.

After that, we'll see.

Did you read anything Nodack posted for sources?

[In2ition]

The day you, Trump and his supporters stop being anti US Government I’ll give it up.

I'm not sure what you are referencing.

[In2ition]

One example is the Steele Dossier, it was claimed to be entirely truthful, but as we find out, it was completely made up and Sussman and Igor Danchanko have been indicted over it, and that's just the beginning. Of course, if I posted a story 3 yrs ago that said it was made up, you and others would have said it was a lying source. So, respectfully to you, what should I say to you?

Entirely made up? Republicans hired Steele to look into Trumps ties with Russia and once he got the nomination they gave up on it. Hillary then paid to keep up the investigation going even though Steele didn’t know who was funding it at that time. Clinton stopped paying for it and Steele didn’t stop because he believed in what he was doing and even shared his finding with authorities. Some of his sources were lying and the FBI who were doing their job busted them for it.

Yes, it was ENTIRELY made up. It was fabricated from conjecture, rumors and fantasy. You got to give it up.

I'm not fully sure where Durham is going, but so far it's starting to point to Clinton. Like I said before, Sussman and Danchanko won't be the last ones and it seems that the next ones will be Joe Biden’s current National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan is a likely target. Then, three former FBI officials as targets of the Durham probe: 1) former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe 2) former FBI Special Agent in the Counterintelligence Division, Peter Strzok and 3) former DOJ legal counsel to Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page.

After that, we'll see.

Did you read anything Nodack posted for sources?

I didn't have to read them all. I started to, couldn't read the NYT one, because it was behind a paywall, read the next 3, but realized that after looking at each one, that none of them had anything to do with the Steele Dossier. We already know that the whole thing was started and made up by Hillary, when her own campaign did voter research on what would be the most damaging subject to her own campaign. They found out that it was her ties to Uranium One and Russia were the biggest sticking point with voters. So they planned on trying to turn it around and accuse Trump of Russian Collusion. We even have pics of exactly when Brennan came to Obama in the WH and presented him with Hillary's plan to pin it on Trump. I know that Nodack is going to hold onto those news links until he dies, and his last words are going to be, "He's a Russian agent, loyal to Putin....." (this was a reference of made up scenario for comedy, and I do not think badly about Nodack in any way, nor mean to disparage him).

Did any of those people in the impeachment trial, when directly asked if they had direct evidence of Trump with Russian collusion, actually say that they did? No, they all said that they didn't. They all made shit up and when it was directly asked, they said they didn't.

Would you be surprised if the Pulitzer committee ended up retracting their awards to the journalists that won on this?

[Indy]

You seem to keep (intentionally?) missing the key facts. You also keep saying Clinton started it, when that has been proven false by basically everyone.

And Trump did bow down to Putin numerous times. Look how submissive he was to him when they were on camera together. Putin didn't fight to get him elected because it would be good for America.

[In2ition]

You seem to keep (intentionally?) missing the key facts. You also keep saying Clinton started it, when that has been proven false by basically everyone.

And Trump did bow down to Putin numerous times. Look how submissive he was to him when they were on camera together. Putin didn't fight to get him elected because it would be good for America.

This is complete BS. And, no it hasn't been proven false. That's ridiculous and in time you will find out that it's completely true that she started it.

[Indy]

You only believe what you want to believe. Check Nodack's sources. Everyone acknowledges that Steele was hired by the GOP for Oppo Research on Trump. They tried to kill it when he won the nomination (actually, before, but when it was clear he would get the nom).

Here is another one: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... mp-dossier

[In2ition]

You only believe what you want to believe. Check Nodack's sources. Everyone acknowledges that Steele was hired by the GOP for Oppo Research on Trump. They tried to kill it when he won the nomination (actually, before, but when it was clear he would get the nom).

Here is another one: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... mp-dossier

Paywall on this one too. Not "everyone acknowledges" that Steele was hired by the GOP. Fusion GPS was hired by the conservative news site Washington Free Beacon to do oppo research, but then Fusion GPS paid by Marc Elias(Clinton Lawyer) commissioned Steele, which then used Danchanko to fabricate and create the dossier. So the Washington Free Beacon started the oppo research, but then it was passed off and the dossier wasn't created by the time they weren't involved any longer.

https://founderscode.com/mook-clintons- ... and-elias/
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics ... index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dnc-clinto ... er-report/
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... mp-dossier
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... p-dossier/
https://mate.substack.com/p/indicted-cl ... rowdstrike

[In2ition]

Scientists mystified, wary, as Africa avoids COVID disaster
By MARIA CHENG and FARAI MUTSAKA
November 19, 2021
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... 172eb01a2f

HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — At a busy market in a poor township outside Harare this week, Nyasha Ndou kept his mask in his pocket, as hundreds of other people, mostly unmasked, jostled to buy and sell fruit and vegetables displayed on wooden tables and plastic sheets. As in much of Zimbabwe, here the coronavirus is quickly being relegated to the past, as political rallies, concerts and home gatherings have returned.

“COVID-19 is gone, when did you last hear of anyone who has died of COVID-19?” Ndou said. “The mask is to protect my pocket,” he said. “The police demand bribes so I lose money if I don’t move around with a mask.” Earlier this week, Zimbabwe recorded just 33 new COVID-19 cases and zero deaths, in line with a recent fall in the disease across the continent, where World Health Organization data show that infections have been dropping since July.

When the coronavirus first emerged last year, health officials feared the pandemic would sweep across Africa, killing millions. Although it’s still unclear what COVID-19’s ultimate toll will be, that catastrophic scenario has yet to materialize in Zimbabwe or much of the continent.

Scientists emphasize that obtaining accurate COVID-19 data, particularly in African countries with patchy surveillance, is extremely difficult, and warn that declining coronavirus trends could easily be reversed.

But there is something “mysterious” going on in Africa that is puzzling scientists, said Wafaa El-Sadr, chair of global health at Columbia University. “Africa doesn’t have the vaccines and the resources to fight COVID-19 that they have in Europe and the U.S., but somehow they seem to be doing better,” she said.

Fewer than 6% of people in Africa are vaccinated. For months, the WHO has described Africa as “one of the least affected regions in the world” in its weekly pandemic reports.

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Some researchers say the continent’s younger population -- the average age is 20 versus about 43 in Western Europe — in addition to their lower rates of urbanization and tendency to spend time outdoors, may have spared it the more lethal effects of the virus so far. Several studies are probing whether there might be other explanations, including genetic reasons or past infection with parasitic diseases.

On Friday, researchers working in Uganda said they found COVID-19 patients with high rates of exposure to malaria were less likely to suffer severe disease or death than people with little history of the disease.

“We went into this project thinking we would see a higher rate of negative outcomes in people with a history of malaria infections because that’s what was seen in patients co-infected with malaria and Ebola,” said Jane Achan, a senior research advisor at the Malaria Consortium and a co-author of the study. “We were actually quite surprised to see the opposite — that malaria may have a protective effect.”

Achan said this may suggest that past infection with malaria could “blunt” the tendency of people’s immune systems to go into overdrive when they are infected with COVID-19. The research was presented Friday at a meeting of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene.

Christian Happi, director of the African Center of Excellence for Genomics of Infectious Diseases at Redeemer’s University in Nigeria, said authorities are used to curbing outbreaks even without vaccines and credited the extensive networks of community health workers.

“It’s not always about how much money you have or how sophisticated your hospitals are,” he said.

Devi Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, said African leaders haven’t gotten the credit they deserve for acting quickly, citing Mali’s decision to close its borders before COVID-19 even arrived.

“I think there’s a different cultural approach in Africa, where these countries have approached COVID with a sense of humility because they’ve experienced things like Ebola, polio and malaria,” Sridhar said.

In past months, the coronavirus has pummeled South Africa and is estimated to have killed more than 89,000 people there, by far the most deaths on the continent. But for now, African authorities, while acknowledging that there could be gaps, are not reporting huge numbers of unexpected fatalities that might be COVID-related. WHO data show that deaths in Africa make up just 3% of the global total. In comparison, deaths in the Americas and Europe account for 46% and 29%.

In Nigeria, Africa’s most populous country, the government has recorded nearly 3,000 deaths so far among its 200 million population. The U.S. records that many deaths every two or three days.

The low numbers have Nigerians like Opemipo Are, a 23-year-old in Abuja, feeling relieved. “They said there will be dead bodies on the streets and all that, but nothing like that happened,” she said.

On Friday, Nigerian authorities began a campaign to significantly expand the West African nation’s coronavirus immunization. Officials are aiming to inoculate half the population before February, a target they think will help them achieve herd immunity.

Oyewale Tomori, a Nigerian virologist who sits on several WHO advisory groups, suggested Africa might not even need as many vaccines as the West. It’s an idea that, while controversial, he says is being seriously discussed among African scientists — and is reminiscent of the proposal British officials made last March to let COVID-19 freely infect the population to build up immunity.

That doesn’t mean, however, that vaccines aren’t needed in Africa.

“We need to be vaccinating all out to prepare for the next wave,” said Salim Abdool Karim, an epidemiologist at South Africa’s University of KwaZulu-Natal, who previously advised the South African government on COVID-19. “Looking at what’s happening in Europe, the likelihood of more cases spilling over here is very high.”

The impact of the coronavirus has also been relatively muted beyond Africa in poor countries like Afghanistan, where experts predicted outbreaks amid ongoing conflict would prove disastrous.

Hashmat Arifi, a 23-year-old student in Kabul, said he hadn’t seen anyone wearing a mask in months, including at a recent wedding he attended alongside hundreds of guests. In his university classes, more than 20 students routinely sit unmasked in close quarters.

“I haven’t seen any cases of corona lately,” Arifi said. So far, Afghanistan has recorded about 7,200 deaths among its 39 million people, although little testing was done amid the conflict and the actual numbers of cases and deaths are unknown.

Back in Zimbabwe, doctors were grateful for the respite from COVID-19 — but feared it was only temporary.

“People should remain very vigilant,” warned Dr. Johannes Marisa, president of the Medical and Dental Private Practitioners of Zimbabwe Association. He fears that another coronavirus wave would hit Zimbabwe next month. “Complacency is what is going to destroy us because we may be caught unaware.”

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Cheng reported from London. Rahim Faiez in Islamabad, Pakistan, and Chinedu Asadu in Lagos contributed to this report.

[Mori Chu]

The low number of COVID cases in Africa may also just be a lack of testing. You can't report cases if you don't test and confirm their existence.

https://www.afro.who.int/news/six-seven ... ted-africa

[In2ition]

You could probably argue that the low number of covid deaths is also due to lack of testing. I would think you would look at "excess deaths" to get a better look though.

[Mori Chu]

There's another new COVID variant on the horizon, and they say it's a deadly one. It comes out of South Africa. They say it is even more virulent than Delta, and it has several mutations to its "spike" protein, which is what the vaccine antibodies bond to, which may mean that it could bypass our vaccine immunity (though that remains to be seen). Yipes!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

[Nodack]

I saw that. It has totally spooked the planet overnight. Stocks down 900 points. Travel from Africa banned. The Covid nightmare doesn’t want to go away. A good friend of ours is on a ventilator with Covid and it isn’t looking good. He was an anti vaccine guy.

[In2ition]

Sorry to hear that Nodack. It's not a good sign that he went on a ventilator.

[Nodack]

He didn’t make it.

[Mori Chu]

He didn’t make it.

Very sorry to hear it, Nodack. Condolences. This virus is a nasty one and has affected so many of us in a personal way.

[In2ition]

He didn’t make it.

I'm sorry, that's horrible.

[virtual9mm]

He didn’t make it.

Very sorry to hear...

[3rdside]

Sorry to hear that bro …

[Nodack]

Thanks s guys.