Jae Crowder trade request

[JeremyG]

The way Shams worded it sounds like these were old talks and the Hawks are just leaking it now (in order to try to restart discussions or something?).

[Wally_West]

Crowder and Saric to the wizards for Will Barton and Deni Avdija

[Indy]

They already have 138M on the books for next year without Hunter's extension/new contract and that is only for roughly half their roster.

[Split T]

They already have 138M on the books for next year without Hunter's extension/new contract and that is only for roughly half their roster.

True, but he’s still better than Crowder. Take him for 1 year and S&T him next summer if you don’t want to pay him.

[Indy]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

[Wally_West]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Don’t we all know lol

[Split T]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

[In2ition]

I wouldn't mind getting Jalen Johnson back in the trade in some way. I still think he has some nice upside if developed right.

[Split T]

Ya, Justin Holiday and Jalen Johnson is about the best we can hope for I think. Holiday is a good, playable wing. Doesn’t solve our need of more creation and can’t play the 4, but he’s better than any bench wings we have.

[Indy]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

Sorry, thought you were saying that Atlanta shouldn't trade him because they could always flip him next summer in part of a S&T. My comment about 138M was for Atlanta, and that could be the reason they are talking about moving on from Hunter.

[Split T]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

Sorry, thought you were saying that Atlanta shouldn't trade him because they could always flip him next summer in part of a S&T. My comment about 138M was for Atlanta, and that could be the reason they are talking about moving on from Hunter.

Gotcha, ok that makes more sense

[JeremyG]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

We have the draft capital. Time to use it.

[Split T]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

We have the draft capital. Time to use it.

I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available

[TOO]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

We have the draft capital. Time to use it.

I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available

That worked so well last time.

[Mori Chu]

I would do that Collins deal in a heartbeat. I think they'd manage to fleece us out of more than Crowder + 1st, though. I'm afraid they'd get 2 future 1sts out of us. Which is dumb, but I bet James Jones would do it. And then we'd have a problem about Cam Johnson vs Collins.

[AmareIsGod]

S&Ts don't always work out the way you hope.

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

We have the draft capital. Time to use it.

I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available

That worked so well last time.

Optimist prime! Is this in reference to KD? The deal we all know how close or how far we were from pulling off? Are you faulting the organization for taking a swing at it, even if they missed?

[TOO]

Are you really against flipping Crowder for Hunter? Even if he’s just here for 1 year and walks he’s worth it. Not sure it matters though..I think the chances Atlanta considers him in a Crowder trade are extremely low unless we offer up draft capital too.

We have the draft capital. Time to use it.

I think so too.. unless we know something about a bigger star coming available

That worked so well last time.

Optimist prime! Is this in reference to KD? The deal we all know how close or how far we were from pulling off? Are you faulting the organization for taking a swing at it, even if they missed?

I'm faulting the organization for sitting on its hands for too long, Brooklyn was pretty adamant about their demands and they never wavered. Not sure why you keep waiting hoping for something to change. They also painted themselves into a corner with Ayton making it impossible to do anything after that.

[Split T]

Pretty extensive and interesting stuff in here about the Crowder situation.

[Split T]

Interesting quotes from the article:

Along with Miami, inquiring teams have been told Atlanta is Crowder’s other preferred landing spot. While the Hawks have made calls about injured wing Bogdan Bogdanovic, a potential framework of Crowder and Landry Shamet for Bogdanovic has made the rounds among front office personnel, although one source with knowledge of the situation claimed Shamet is not part of any active Suns conversations with Atlanta. The Hawks and Suns have had dialogue on Crowder throughout the summer.

Perhaps there’s a three-team framework with Atlanta in which the Hawks could send a young player and salary, such as Justin Holiday’s contract, to Phoenix, which the Suns could re-route and obtain a different player on their wish list. Rockets forward K.J. Martin, another forward known to have interest in playing elsewhere, is one player the Suns have held ongoing talks about obtaining, sources said

In recent transaction cycles, Phoenix has explored adding greater ball-handling depth behind Chris Paul and Devin Booker. And Jordan Clarkson, one of the many veterans thought to be available in Utah, is one dynamic guard the Suns have inquired about landing in exchange for Crowder, sources said. Would Phoenix be willing to attach draft capital in that scenario? That outcome would seem to result in Crowder securing a buyout from Utah, and then his pick of destination, albeit at an unknown salary.

[Split T]

How about Crowder to Atlanta, KJ Martin and Justin Holiday to us, Jalen Johnson and a 2nd to Houston. Who says no?

Doesn’t really solve our shot creation need, but gives us some wing depth.