Trump 2024

[Nodack]

That garbage will happen either way.

[In2ition]

You can and I kid, but it was interesting that it was exactly the talking point that got propagated immediately by the party.

I think you're conflating "the party" and the Twitter/X algorithm. A few people made tweets pointing out that now *Trump* is the old man in the race, and these got a lot of likes and clicks, so the algorithm showed them to a lot of people. I don't think it was anything organized by a party or powerful elites controlling anything.

I even heard clips of Dems saying it immediately. Come on, come clean, you subscribe to "Dem talking points of the Day" newsletter and email.

[Superbone]

You can and I kid, but it was interesting that it was exactly the talking point that got propagated immediately by the party.

I think you're conflating "the party" and the Twitter/X algorithm. A few people made tweets pointing out that now *Trump* is the old man in the race, and these got a lot of likes and clicks, so the algorithm showed them to a lot of people. I don't think it was anything organized by a party or powerful elites controlling anything.

I even heard clips of Dems saying it immediately. Come on, come clean, you subscribe to "Dem talking points of the Day" newsletter and email.

We've got some serious pot/kettle dynamics going on here.

[In2ition]

You can and I kid, but it was interesting that it was exactly the talking point that got propagated immediately by the party.

I think you're conflating "the party" and the Twitter/X algorithm. A few people made tweets pointing out that now *Trump* is the old man in the race, and these got a lot of likes and clicks, so the algorithm showed them to a lot of people. I don't think it was anything organized by a party or powerful elites controlling anything.

I even heard clips of Dems saying it immediately. Come on, come clean, you subscribe to "Dem talking points of the Day" newsletter and email.

We've got some serious pot/kettle dynamics going on here.

I'm sure I do the same from time to time. You think, I think I'm exempt myself? BTW, it was in jest.

[Nodack]

Trump is almost as old as Biden. Republicans hit Biden on his age. Now he’s the old man. Would be the oldest President ever. Of course Dems will use it against him. The Dems saw Biden’s mental collapse in a short time and acted accordingly. Trump meanders off on his conversations and can’t remember things too.

A talking point? Yes. His criminal record another talking point. His history of sexual assault. Definitely a talking point. 10,000,000 lies makes a good talking point. Taking credit for overturning Roe VS Wade. Talking point. 7 trillion deficit by Trump. Talking point. Mexico not paying for the wall. Not replacing Obamacare with something terrific like promised. Massive tax break for the rich. Announcing he will enact any legislation the oil companies want if they donate a billion dollars to him. Serious talking point.

[Superbone]

Speaking of talking points. Saw that Trump had tweeted that Harris was "dumb as a rock." (Once again judging himself.) He must have heard it from In2.

[Nodack]

Calling her dumb makes Trump look like an immature asshole. It probably makes Maga all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Superbone]

Calling her dumb makes Trump look like an immature asshole. It probably makes Maga all warm and fuzzy inside.

It is unfathomable how immature the former president is. And if his base likes that, they are too. It's pretty incredible. He loves to make fun of people's names. Just saw another one yesterday, I can't remember who it was. This is grade school type stuff. If you told our founding fathers that a future POTUS would act like that, they wouldn't believe you. He's got the mind of a 7th grader.

[virtual9mm]

Calling her dumb makes Trump look like an immature asshole. It probably makes Maga all warm and fuzzy inside.

It is unfathomable how immature the former president is. And if his base likes that, they are too. It's pretty incredible. He loves to make fun of people's names. Just saw another one yesterday, I can't remember who it was. This is grade school type stuff. If you told our founding fathers that a future POTUS would act like that, they wouldn't believe you. He's got the mind of a 7th grader.

It all comes down to three things:

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?

All open questions.

[Mori Chu]

Is JD Vance going to delete or address all these old tweets and comments where he calls Trump a Hitler, a rapist, and such? I guess he's changed his mind on all of that.

[AmareIsGod]

Calling her dumb makes Trump look like an immature asshole. It probably makes Maga all warm and fuzzy inside.

It is unfathomable how immature the former president is. And if his base likes that, they are too. It's pretty incredible. He loves to make fun of people's names. Just saw another one yesterday, I can't remember who it was. This is grade school type stuff. If you told our founding fathers that a future POTUS would act like that, they wouldn't believe you. He's got the mind of a 7th grader.

In2 won't address or condone this kind of behavior. Just brush it aside. Same with the JD stuff unearthed.

[BigLewy]

Calling her dumb makes Trump look like an immature asshole. It probably makes Maga all warm and fuzzy inside.

It is unfathomable how immature the former president is. And if his base likes that, they are too. It's pretty incredible. He loves to make fun of people's names. Just saw another one yesterday, I can't remember who it was. This is grade school type stuff. If you told our founding fathers that a future POTUS would act like that, they wouldn't believe you. He's got the mind of a 7th grader.

It all comes down to three things:

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?

All open questions.

My perspective as someone more middle of the road, but definitely leaning conservative.

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.
She's clearly in the honeymoon phase right now, as anyone they selected that wasn't a cadaver would be getting the same enthusiasm. If she comes off as cringe worthy as she did in the 2020 primaries, she's in trouble. She definitely has the Democratic machine behind her for now at least.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?
This is going to be his central message. Even with the reduced crossings, the damage is already done, and I'm sure he will point out that it took over three years for the Dems to do anything about the border, and they only did so because the election was coming. Especially after Biden undid the border policies Trump had in place in his first day in office. This will be an extremely tough hole to climb out of if Trump/Vance can attack it properly.

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?
She has to hope that the Sun Belt voters don't see her as some far-left progressive from California, because if they do, she isn't relatable to them. Especially with seeing how awful CA is these days with rampant crime and DAs who don't prosecute, it could be a stench that follows her, valid or not. Her record there could also come back to haunt her, especially with the excessive imprisonment for weed, etc.

[Mori Chu]

Secret service director resigns.

[Kryptonic]

Not surprised after watching her testify yesterday. Really disappointed in her ability to disclose basic information that anyone could go and find on twitter. She needed to be forthcoming with information and doesn't help with all of the rampant conspiracy theories.

[virtual9mm]

Calling her dumb makes Trump look like an immature asshole. It probably makes Maga all warm and fuzzy inside.

It is unfathomable how immature the former president is. And if his base likes that, they are too. It's pretty incredible. He loves to make fun of people's names. Just saw another one yesterday, I can't remember who it was. This is grade school type stuff. If you told our founding fathers that a future POTUS would act like that, they wouldn't believe you. He's got the mind of a 7th grader.

It all comes down to three things:

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?

All open questions.

My perspective as someone more middle of the road, but definitely leaning conservative.

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.
She's clearly in the honeymoon phase right now, as anyone they selected that wasn't a cadaver would be getting the same enthusiasm. If she comes off as cringe worthy as she did in the 2020 primaries, she's in trouble. She definitely has the Democratic machine behind her for now at least.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?
This is going to be his central message. Even with the reduced crossings, the damage is already done, and I'm sure he will point out that it took over three years for the Dems to do anything about the border, and they only did so because the election was coming. Especially after Biden undid the border policies Trump had in place in his first day in office. This will be an extremely tough hole to climb out of if Trump/Vance can attack it properly.

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?
She has to hope that the Sun Belt voters don't see her as some far-left progressive from California, because if they do, she isn't relatable to them. Especially with seeing how awful CA is these days with rampant crime and DAs who don't prosecute, it could be a stench that follows her, valid or not. Her record there could also come back to haunt her, especially with the excessive imprisonment for weed, etc.

Great insights on all three counts, thanks.

[Mori Chu]

Not surprised after watching her testify yesterday. Really disappointed in her ability to disclose basic information that anyone could go and find on twitter. She needed to be forthcoming with information and doesn't help with all of the rampant conspiracy theories.

Yeah, I agree. I watched the clips of her at the Congressional hearing the other day. I didn't enter into it with a strong opinion about her or whether she should be fired or resign or whatever. But as I watched her answer the questions I saw a mix of not knowing things / giving clear answers, not really accepting accountability and responsibility, a lack of foresight and common sense, and a certain defensiveness. I didn't like what I saw. It left me disappointed in her and now I'm not sad that she's resigning. I don't hold her solely responsible for the assassination attempt, but it seems like she should have done more to keep Trump safe and accepted more responsibility for the lapses in security.

[Mori Chu]

My perspective as someone more middle of the road, but definitely leaning conservative.

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.
She's clearly in the honeymoon phase right now, as anyone they selected that wasn't a cadaver would be getting the same enthusiasm. If she comes off as cringe worthy as she did in the 2020 primaries, she's in trouble. She definitely has the Democratic machine behind her for now at least.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?
This is going to be his central message. Even with the reduced crossings, the damage is already done, and I'm sure he will point out that it took over three years for the Dems to do anything about the border, and they only did so because the election was coming. Especially after Biden undid the border policies Trump had in place in his first day in office. This will be an extremely tough hole to climb out of if Trump/Vance can attack it properly.

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?
She has to hope that the Sun Belt voters don't see her as some far-left progressive from California, because if they do, she isn't relatable to them. Especially with seeing how awful CA is these days with rampant crime and DAs who don't prosecute, it could be a stench that follows her, valid or not. Her record there could also come back to haunt her, especially with the excessive imprisonment for weed, etc.

Interesting post, thanks. IMO the current attacks on Kamala (She laughs too much! She says weird quotes about being "unburdened" a lot! She dated some people, maybe she's a slut!) are superficial and personal and unlikely to stick. But the GOP and conservative media will find more substantive attacks that may be more successful.

The point #2 on immigration is a huge one. A big vector for attack on Kamala is that Biden appointed her the "immigration czar" this term, and immigration hasn't exactly been a smashing success. Lots of folks see problems there, and in theory Kamala's supposed to have been in charge of that. Now personally I think it was dumb to put her in charge of immigration since she can't really solve that problem by herself; it just sets her up to fail and take blame. But it's something she'll have to be ready to talk about and have good answers for.

Another thing that I think could haunt Kamala is if they just go dig up a bunch of clips of her 2020 primary in which she promised some more far-left things like universal health care that she probably doesn't support any more. They can paint her as being more liberal or radical than Biden. I don't actually think she is radical, but there will be some clips that may not paint her in the best light. She better have smooth answers on how her views and policies have evolved over the past 4 years.

Overall Kamala needs to present clear ideas and policies with a new authenticity, especially in contrast to her 2020 primary where she kind of just throw policy confetti into the wind to see what people might like.

[virtual9mm]

My perspective as someone more middle of the road, but definitely leaning conservative.

1. Can Kamala perform and execute? So far, she's gotten off to an absolutely brilliant start. Let's see if she can keep it up.
She's clearly in the honeymoon phase right now, as anyone they selected that wasn't a cadaver would be getting the same enthusiasm. If she comes off as cringe worthy as she did in the 2020 primaries, she's in trouble. She definitely has the Democratic machine behind her for now at least.

2. Can Trump pin her to immigration policy? If so, can she point to reduced crossings and turn this around on him?
This is going to be his central message. Even with the reduced crossings, the damage is already done, and I'm sure he will point out that it took over three years for the Dems to do anything about the border, and they only did so because the election was coming. Especially after Biden undid the border policies Trump had in place in his first day in office. This will be an extremely tough hole to climb out of if Trump/Vance can attack it properly.

3. Will her appeal to black and female voters in the Sun Belt outweigh the inevitable loss in white male votes in places like Michigan?
She has to hope that the Sun Belt voters don't see her as some far-left progressive from California, because if they do, she isn't relatable to them. Especially with seeing how awful CA is these days with rampant crime and DAs who don't prosecute, it could be a stench that follows her, valid or not. Her record there could also come back to haunt her, especially with the excessive imprisonment for weed, etc.

Interesting post, thanks. IMO the current attacks on Kamala (She laughs too much! She says weird quotes about being "unburdened" a lot! She dated some people, maybe she's a slut!) are superficial and personal and unlikely to stick. But the GOP and conservative media will find more substantive attacks that may be more successful.

The point #2 on immigration is a huge one. A big vector for attack on Kamala is that Biden appointed her the "immigration czar" this term, and immigration hasn't exactly been a smashing success. Lots of folks see problems there, and in theory Kamala's supposed to have been in charge of that. Now personally I think it was dumb to put her in charge of immigration since she can't really solve that problem by herself; it just sets her up to fail and take blame. But it's something she'll have to be ready to talk about and have good answers for.

Another thing that I think could haunt Kamala is if they just go dig up a bunch of clips of her 2020 primary in which she promised some more far-left things like universal health care that she probably doesn't support any more. They can paint her as being more liberal or radical than Biden. I don't actually think she is radical, but there will be some clips that may not paint her in the best light. She better have smooth answers on how her views and policies have evolved over the past 4 years.

Overall Kamala needs to present clear ideas and policies with a new authenticity, especially in contrast to her 2020 primary where she kind of just throw policy confetti into the wind to see what people might like.

Own up to being a politician in 2020 but emphasize that she's learned that she has to rely upon her own values and moral compass. People are allowed to grow.

[Nodack]

Immigration is the main Republican topic at election time since I can remember there being elections. That and taxes is what they always run on every single time, decade after decade. Every Republican running promises to fix the border and lower taxes, decade after decade and apparently they all failed because here we are decade after decade later still saying the same old lines repeated over and over.

IMO it’s always a fear campaign and they overhype it and make it sounds as horrible as possible. Every election is proceeded with a dangerous migrant caravan heading for America to destroy our way of life. Every person coming is a drug mule, rapist, terrorist or murderer who hates America and wants to kill you all! They are taking our jobs and they are all on free health care and never pay taxes.

Trump promised us Mexico would pay for a brand new shiny beautiful glorious wall about 10,000 times. His base loved it. How awesome is that?! He was elected. Mexico said no, we aren’t paying for your wall. His base was shocked. They aren’t paying for the wall? But Trump said they were going to, over and over. Have no fear Maga. Republicans controlled everything at the start of his first term. They could build a wall if they wanted easily. Unfortunately Republicans in Washington weren’t interested in building Trumps wall and said no just like Mexico did. Trump was pissed off and stole some money from the military budget to build a small stretch of wall.

How is it possible that the most pressing thing on Republican politician’s minds is fixing the border every election and given the opportunity of controlling the House, Senate and having a super pro border President demanding a new wall, that his fellow Republicans weren’t interested in building a wall when it came right down to it. Their first line of business was a massive tax cut that mostly went to those rich guys Trump keeps courting with success. It makes people like me question the GOP’s real commitment to the border. They were all talk and then when the time came they sat on the bench and did nothing. Trump is running again and he hasn’t mentioned the wall once. Republicans threaten to impeach Biden’s Homeland Security leader for not securing the border? What a joke.

Joe was getting a lot of flack of course from Republicans for “not securing the border” and polling bad. He decided to call the Republicans bluff and said “Come up with a bipartisan immigration deal and I will sign it.” Dems and Cons called Biden’s bluff and came up with a bipartisan immigration deal. Neither side got everything they wanted like any bipartisan deal would be but, they got a lot of what they wanted and were ready to sign the biggest and most comprehensive immigration deal in a long long time.

Trump didn’t like it at all. Biden signing a big immigration deal would be a big win for Biden and take away half the talking points Trump would have going into the next election so Trump said no. Trump holds no office and yet he by himself controls all of the Republicans in Washington with the light touch of the send button on Twitter. I know In2 would fight me on this if I didn’t have him blocked already. I will say it again. Trump and only Trump stopped the bipartisan immigration bill from going forward just to enhance his election chances. The GOP wanted to impeach the Homeland guy for not doing enough and then Trump does that?

It once again proves to me that immigration is just a tool the GOP uses to get votes and nothing more. 100 years from now…”Vote Pete for whatever. I will do something about the illegal immigrants pouring into our country unlike those evil Dems.”

If I am Kamala I hammer these points.

[BigLewy]

Immigration is absolutely a huge issue. On day one of his presidency, Biden issued executive orders to undo most of Trump's border policies. You can argue about his "build the wall rhetoric", but the number of illegal crossings were down during his term. After Biden took office, the number of crossings have been astronomical. There is no disputing that. These sanctuary cities found out real quick what a disaster the border was, and now everyone's tax dollars are giving free food and lodging and debit cards to the millions of migrants who crossed the border. Cities are overrun, turning rec centers and other buildings into migrant shelters. Like it or not, it will be the single most damning thing from his presidency. Only after did it become an absolute disaster did Biden decide to do anything about it. And he appointed Harris as his "border czar", which was idiotic since there wasn't much she could actually do. She's now tied to it as well.

It may have been a standard GOP talking point in the past, but it is an actual real issue now and I think you'd be surprised as to how many folks around the country think the border is one of the top issues. I mean hell, my city isn't a sanctuary city, but there are illegals all over the place here now, and I saw an article in my local paper that almost 25% of the school population doesn't even speak English, and that figure was like 5% in 2020. My friends have jokingly said that I live in Latin America because of it. I think it's a fair assumption to make that many people are tired of seeing government dollars being handed out to migrants when there are problems with drug use, homelessness, crime, etc.

Does this mean I'm anti-immigration? Not at all. My great-grandparents immigrated here from Lithuania. There is a family down the road from me who moved in a few years ago from Ecuador that are the nicest people in the world, and their young son loves playing with my dog. The legal immigration process is broken and ridiculous. My sister-in-law is Mexican (born in the US though) and her parents live in Mexico currently and lived in California for many years prior. They either had work visas or green cards that have now expired, and trying to do the right thing and file paperwork properly is a joke and taking forever. They'd have been better off just walking over the border with everyone else months ago to be honest. But because they are trying to do the right thing, they're in paperwork hell and can't move back here to be with their infant granddaughter. There needs to be a better way to go through the immigration process legally, especially so that we can know as much as possible about people trying to come into the country.