Jimmy Butler trade rumors

[specialsauce]

Beat that horse baby, it ain't quite dead yet

[Cap]

Beat that horse baby, it ain't quite dead yet

Gonna stop beating the Himmy horse? No? Knock off the hypocrisy.

[Split T]

Yeah, no more doubling down on this team. Just blow it up.

Sigh. Four picks and three swaps (plus Mikal, Cam, CP3, Camara and DA) for a team we want to blow up… but can’t because we’re saddled with bad contracts (and an NTC that might come into play if anybody’s willing to trade for Beal’s contract, which doesn’t seem likely right now).

Anybody still on the “Ishbia won’t let us miss the playoffs” wagon?

Are there really that many people who said that? And if they did I don’t think anyone is saying that now

[ShelC]

I'm not hopping on the Anti-Book Train that is beginning to pick up steam, but the whole retool with him plan just seems it has a ceiling of 6-8 seed, like Lillard with the Blazers. I just think the Suns have dug a hole that is too deep that they won't be able to get out of without moving Booker.

There's no way of knowing that and the Blazers never had KD as a trade asset. The picks and young players at least replenish some of what you lost and if you get back a legit rotational player or two, draft well or package a player and pick for a useful vet that fits, the roster is rebuilt quickly. And if that happens with Book on the team, we might find ourselves in a position where another star (the right one) wants to join. That's how we ended up with CP and a Finals run.

[ShelC]

Also, here's a quote from James Jones in 2021

“A front office must find high-character, hardworking, and competitive professionals who love the game and want to have team success,” Jones added. “If you have team success, only then you can throw in a selfish individual—or as I call them, a mercenary—into the bunch and be able to withstand it. But if you first build a team full of mercenaries, you’re going to get bad results from a selfish group.”

[Drewsprocket]

Also, here's a quote from James Jones in 2021

“A front office must find high-character, hardworking, and competitive professionals who love the game and want to have team success,” Jones added. “If you have team success, only then you can throw in a selfish individual—or as I call them, a mercenary—into the bunch and be able to withstand it. But if you first build a team full of mercenaries, you’re going to get bad results from a selfish group.”

I can go either way. JJ still makes sense. Beal was a bust. If JJ can off load him for Butler, then let’s see how that plays out this year and go from there.

[Mori Chu]

Also, here's a quote from James Jones in 2021

“A front office must find high-character, hardworking, and competitive professionals who love the game and want to have team success,” Jones added. “If you have team success, only then you can throw in a selfish individual—or as I call them, a mercenary—into the bunch and be able to withstand it. But if you first build a team full of mercenaries, you’re going to get bad results from a selfish group.”

That's a good quote. We should try letting that guy run our team.

[Mori Chu]

I'm not hopping on the Anti-Book Train that is beginning to pick up steam, but the whole retool with him plan just seems it has a ceiling of 6-8 seed, like Lillard with the Blazers. I just think the Suns have dug a hole that is too deep that they won't be able to get out of without moving Booker.

This is basically where I'm at. I would really like to keep Booker here. But we need to trade anyone who can get us picks, youngs, and/or cap space. So that'll be KD for a certainty, probably Grayson Allen, maybe a few others like Tyus Jones or Royce. Probably can't trade Beal or Nurk because of their negative perceived value and contracts. So then we'll be left with Book and a bunch of bantha fodder, a team that will be bad but perhaps not quite "tank" bad. And we won't have enough good near-term assets (high 1st round picks) to really rebuild on Booker's timeline. He won't want to stick around for that.

I say you pull him into the office, tell him it isn't working and you're blowing it up. You ask him if he wants to help rebuild the team, or if he wants us to help find him a new home. If he wants to go, you help find a trade that makes him happy. If for some reason he says he wants to ride it out here, you give him a bear hug and keep him. Let him decide.

[The Bobster]

Once you make the decision to trade somebody to rebuild the first thought has to be to get the most value out of them, not to find a place that makes them happy. It's up to the trade destination to keep them happy - or decide not to trade for them.

They have some players that are tradeable right now with value ranging from Durant and Booker, to Allen and O'Neale to Morris, Nurkic and Beal (who obviously would have a more value without the no trade clause). I don't see much point in trading Jones since he's on a one-year minimum contract and he has more value playing for the team than he does as a throw in for a deal.

Personally, I'm for goin all in like the did in 1988 (when they traded Larry Nance, Jay Humphries, James Edwards and Mike Sanders) and pick up as many young players and draft picks as they can. Between Durant and Booker they should be able to recoup several first round draft choices and warm bodies. If you can move Beal, you do that too of course. There is no trading for cap space because this team will be in luxury tax hell for a couple of years no matter what they do.

There are no quick fixes for this team outside of getting a big man Wembanyama, Giannis, Jokic or a healthy Embiid. In other words, this team is cooked.

[Mori Chu]

Not much new, but here's another article.

[ShelC]

Fischer has a report going around now that Butler really just wants to come here because we're the only ones willing to give him the extension he wants.

[TOO]

Fischer has a report going around now that Butler really just wants to come here because we're the only ones willing to give him the extension he wants.

Pretty sure I called this. He sees Ishbia just throwing cash at names and wants to cash in.

[Split T]

Ya I think that seems to be a pretty clear priority for Jimmy. I think he would like to play with Booker and KD, but he ultimately wants to get paid.

[Flagrant Fowl]

[JustWinBaby]

The major problem with this team is Kevin fucking Durant. He make the game seam easy for himself. However he is not a leader and to my knowledge never has been he is a walking talking statistical basketball player.

He worked out with players from other teams this past summer and played with his other overpaid prima donnas and the Olympics. Where was the team building. The team working together prior to the season. To the best of my knowledge their was only a 2 week training camp. That is how this team bonded. That is how this team has bonded since KD arrived. I remember the Nash teams, The CP3 / Monty Williams teams bonding early and oftem. Book's house used to be the hang out for the team. They actually liked each other.

I agree with the Blow it up theory, but this is the priority I would take.

1.NO FUCKING JIMMY BUTLER
2.KD To the highest bidder by the trade deadline.
3.Booker can stay unless we can get a bunch of draft picks and some young guns in return.
4.BEAL Stays unless we can off load him without giving up draft picks. I really could care less what we get in return, if the are on short contracts.
5.Hopefully we can get under the 2nd apron by this summer so we can change the roster entirely.
6.I really cannot stand Bud as our coach either. I think he is afraid to hurt KD's feelings. I do not see him in our future.

It is amazing how much damage Ish has done to the franchise is such a short time. We are Fucked.

Oh for the days when or major problem was Monty and Ayton.

[Cap]

Yeah, no more doubling down on this team. Just blow it up.

Sigh. Four picks and three swaps (plus Mikal, Cam, CP3, Camara and DA) for a team we want to blow up… but can’t because we’re saddled with bad contracts (and an NTC that might come into play if anybody’s willing to trade for Beal’s contract, which doesn’t seem likely right now).

Anybody still on the “Ishbia won’t let us miss the playoffs” wagon?

Are there really that many people who said that? And if they did I don’t think anyone is saying that now

It has been a common response over the past two years to my complaints about all the picks we traded away. The picks don’t matter much because they won’t be very good because our profligate owner won’t let us get that bad.

OK, nobody actually used the word “profligate.” More like “willing to spend” and “swinging for the fences,” which sound so much better.

[Split T]

Yeah, no more doubling down on this team. Just blow it up.

Sigh. Four picks and three swaps (plus Mikal, Cam, CP3, Camara and DA) for a team we want to blow up… but can’t because we’re saddled with bad contracts (and an NTC that might come into play if anybody’s willing to trade for Beal’s contract, which doesn’t seem likely right now).

Anybody still on the “Ishbia won’t let us miss the playoffs” wagon?

Are there really that many people who said that? And if they did I don’t think anyone is saying that now

It has been a common response over the past two years to my complaints about all the picks we traded away. The picks don’t matter much because they won’t be very good because our profligate owner won’t let us get that bad.

OK, nobody actually used the word “profligate.” More like “willing to spend” and “swinging for the fences,” which sound so much better.

Well I think it’s more just going off what he’s said. It didn’t seem like he had any intention of rebuilding…I still doubt he has any intention of that…

But the bigger point is no one is saying that anymore. If it was a competition, you won…no one still thinks we won’t be allowed to get bad. We are bad, we all know it.

[1tinsoldier]

those who'd still considering building around Booker need to answer the key question
-- how to build around a super-max player who'd be your 3RD piece to a championship team?

[1tinsoldier]

those who'd still considering building around Booker need to answer the key question
-- how to build around a super-max player who'd be your 3RD piece to a championship team?

the failure of this team is that, initially, the Big 3 intention was
1. Booker 2. Durant. 3. Beal

then, it was
1. Durant. 2. Booker. 3. Beal

now, the BIG reality is
1. Durant. 2. no one 3. Booker. Beal, 6th man

[Split T]

those who'd still considering building around Booker need to answer the key question
-- how to build around a super-max player who'd be your 3RD piece to a championship team?

the failure of this team is that, initially, the Big 3 intention was
1. Booker 2. Durant. 3. Beal

then, it was
1. Durant. 2. Booker. 3. Beal

now, the BIG reality is
1. Durant. 2. no one 3. Booker. Beal, 6th man

I disagree, the intention was

1. Durant 2. Booker 3. CP3?

But it really was

1. No one 2. Booker/Durant 3. Beal

The version of Booker we have had this year can’t be a top 2 guy on a title team…but you’ve greatly mis characterized him. We went to the Finals and won 64 games with him as our #1…he was never a true number 1, but it’s crazy talk to say he couldn’t be the 2nd best player on a title team.

Just look at the last 4 champs and flip Booker with their 2nd best player, do they still win?

Boston with Booker instead of Brown? Yes

Denver with Booker instead of Murray? Yes

Golden State with Booker instead of Wiggins or Draymond? This is the one that is maybe no because of fit/size issues.

Milwaukee with Booker instead of Middleton? Yes

At least 3 of 4 teams would’ve won with Booker as their 2nd best player.