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Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:38 am
by JCSunsfan
3rdside wrote:Ring_Wanted wrote:3rdside wrote:From a guy who still get boners thinking about SSOL, Carmelo is the last guy I want anywhere near my team.
Star name is something NYK seems to crave, although they need to rebuild. My point is that with Melo still onboard, they can have both things, as although he's been one of the best players of his generation, he can't win alone. A depleted Knicks team with Porzingis and Melo, plus Willy and their #7 '17 pick, won't win a lot of games the next couple of years.
I haven't really looked into it but he seems to be one of those that cares more about showing how good he is, and to be known as the star, rather than actually winning; I vaguely remember reading a story when Mike DA was in NY and they sucked, Carmelo went out injured, Lin took over in his absence and they started winning...only for Carmelo to pout, come back in, and grind the team to a halt again.
Jackson even called him out this season for ball hogging, so there's a pretty good chance that this is a guy who just can't / won't adapt for the sake of the team.
No thanks.
So yeah if I was NYK I'd trade him for whatever I could get and start again.
I don't think the market will be that high for Melo. I see him getting cut or something and going to Cleveland.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:43 am
by 3rdside
JCSunsfan wrote:3rdside wrote:Ring_Wanted wrote:3rdside wrote:From a guy who still get boners thinking about SSOL, Carmelo is the last guy I want anywhere near my team.
Star name is something NYK seems to crave, although they need to rebuild. My point is that with Melo still onboard, they can have both things, as although he's been one of the best players of his generation, he can't win alone. A depleted Knicks team with Porzingis and Melo, plus Willy and their #7 '17 pick, won't win a lot of games the next couple of years.
I haven't really looked into it but he seems to be one of those that cares more about showing how good he is, and to be known as the star, rather than actually winning; I vaguely remember reading a story when Mike DA was in NY and they sucked, Carmelo went out injured, Lin took over in his absence and they started winning...only for Carmelo to pout, come back in, and grind the team to a halt again.
Jackson even called him out this season for ball hogging, so there's a pretty good chance that this is a guy who just can't / won't adapt for the sake of the team.
No thanks.
So yeah if I was NYK I'd trade him for whatever I could get and start again.
I don't think the market will be that high for Melo. I see him getting cut or something and going to Cleveland.
Sounds like a fair call....anywhere but here anyway.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:50 pm
by Mori Chu
They won't cut Melo. He has too much value to simply throw him away. They'd get at least a pick or a prospect for him, and probably multiple assets.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:14 pm
by carey
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:They won't cut Melo. He has too much value to simply throw him away. They'd get at least a pick or a prospect for him, and probably multiple assets.
Nah. He has a no trade clause and a 15% trade kicker that will add on to his already ridiculous salary. With the kicker a team needs to take on $29.5M in salary. That's... that's a lot for this version of Melo.
Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:09 pm
by AmareIsGod
Not related per say. More NBA news. But just saw a headline that IT's sister was killed in a car accident this AM. Tragic.
ASU star tight end Todd Heap also ran over and killed his 3 year old this morning.
Hug your family tight. Sad day.
Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:11 pm
by In2ition
AmareIsGod wrote:Not related per say. More NBA news. But just saw a headline that IT's sister was killed in a car accident this AM. Tragic.
That is very sad.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:12 pm
by In2ition
carey wrote:Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:They won't cut Melo. He has too much value to simply throw him away. They'd get at least a pick or a prospect for him, and probably multiple assets.
Nah. He has a no trade clause and a 15% trade kicker that will add on to his already ridiculous salary. With the kicker a team needs to take on $29.5M in salary. That's... that's a lot for this version of Melo.
Who trades for him and what kind of trade would it be?
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:38 pm
by carey
In2ition wrote:
Who trades for him and what kind of trade would it be?
I don't know. Maybe Miami in the space vacated by Bosh's contract? You need cap space and an asset to give up. I could see them moving Winslow maybe. They are a bit down on him because he's progressing slowly, then the injury. Other than that I can't really think of anywhere he fits in. Maybe Boston? They won't be moving that Brooklyn pick though.
Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:43 pm
by carey
AmareIsGod wrote:Not related per say. More NBA news. But just saw a headline that IT's sister was killed in a car accident this AM. Tragic.
ASU star tight end Todd Heap also ran over and killed his 3 year old this morning.
Hug your family tight. Sad day.
I saw the Todd Heap thing. That is my greatest fear. How do you live with the guilt and the loss? I feel so sorry for him.
I didn't know about IT's sister. That's horrible.
Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:29 pm
by Superbone
AmareIsGod wrote:Not related per say. More NBA news. But just saw a headline that IT's sister was killed in a car accident this AM. Tragic.
ASU star tight end Todd Heap also ran over and killed his 3 year old this morning.
Hug your family tight. Sad day.
Jesus! And IT's sister was only 22 years old.
Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:32 pm
by Superbone
carey wrote:I saw the Todd Heap thing. That is my greatest fear. How do you live with the guilt and the loss? I feel so sorry for him.
I can't even imagine.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:53 pm
by carey
Woj weighs in on all the Knicks drama & how Porzingis is not happy with New York's unprofessionalism:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kristaps-p ... 36997.html
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:16 am
by Ring_Wanted
JCSunsfan wrote:I don't think the market will be that high for Melo. I see him getting cut or something and going to Cleveland.
Agreed. A Melo trade is incredibly complicated and the return is not going to be good anyways. If Phil is so keen on getting rid of Melo and pointing him as a cancer, give the guy his money, buy him out and start over with Kristaps and #'17. While he is at it, do the same with the monstrosity that is Noah.
Really, Jackson is NYK's main problem at the moment (besides Dolan, of course). He still wants triangle or GTO and players are rumored to be fed up with that crap.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:00 am
by Hermen
Maybe Jackson is forcing the triangle to make Melo waive his no-trade clause
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:25 pm
by O_Gardino
Bled, Knight, and Len for Melo works, I think. Id do that if they throw in their 2017 draft pick. That's the kind of trade NY would historically do.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:28 pm
by carey
Thankfully we don't have to worry about Melo and his $29.5M salary (after trade kicker) because he'd veto any trade to come here.
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Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:33 pm
by pickle
Didn't we just get done talking about how NYC should trade Melo for picks and prospects? They might let him go for very little value, but they are not sending out their pick this year... and what Carey said.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:07 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Carmelo Anthony is just a massively overpaid role player.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:58 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
I can see the Lakers offering Luol Deng and Mozgov, and the Knicks accepting. Might be the only offer they could get.
Re: Around the League: Week 25 - The End of the Regular Season
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:54 pm
by Cap
O_Gardino wrote:Bled, Knight, and Len for Melo works, I think. Id do that if they throw in their 2017 draft pick. That's the kind of trade NY would historically do.
I recall a couple of years ago there was a rumor we were going to send Bled+#13 to NY for #4, which we'd have used on KP.