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Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 4:57 pm
by carey
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
I know this is a weird question, but is there something wrong with his back? It has a weird curve or hump to it. Is he likely to have back trouble because of it?
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:34 pm
by INFORMER
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
Thanks for the scouting report. I finally took a look at him a few days ago. Should definitely be in play at 31.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:27 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
We all know we need a play maker with good court vision. Holiday is known for how he sees the floor...our current PG roster is a big MEH. If we don't take Doncic at 1...and we go big, as we SHOULD...PREACH IT UNCLE GENE, PREACH IT FROM CAMELBACK! FIX THE PAINT!...and take Bamba or Ayton at 1 (I hope we do a good job on evals before we decide!)...then we still need a good PG. Holiday is the closest thing to a true PG in the que that we have a chance of being available at 16. I'd even look to move up at least a few slots if we can swing it to make sure we get him.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 6:18 pm
by jonh
carey wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 4:57 pm
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
I know this is a weird question, but is there something wrong with his back? It has a weird curve or hump to it. Is he likely to have back trouble because of it?
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:02 am
by Indy
jonh wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:18 pm
carey wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 4:57 pm
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
I know this is a weird question, but is there something wrong with his back? It has a weird curve or hump to it. Is he likely to have back trouble because of it?
11/10 for any Young Frankenstein reference.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:03 am
by Cap
Indy wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:02 am
jonh wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:18 pm
carey wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 4:57 pm
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
I know this is a weird question, but is there something wrong with his back? It has a weird curve or hump to it. Is he likely to have back trouble because of it?
11/10 for any Young Frankenstein reference.
Hey!
http://www.phx-suns.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 76#p114576
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:23 am
by Indy
Cap wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 9:03 am
Indy wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:02 am
jonh wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 6:18 pm
carey wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 4:57 pm
francosy wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 am
Since there is Dzanan Musa on the list and you probably don't know him too well, I will put here my opinion on him. I know him probably even better then Doncic, since he plays in our regional league.
PROS: Dzanan is extremely skilled player. His size is great for a SG, he can shoot from whatever position. Also his penetration and finish under the rim is very reliable. He plays smart, doesn't have a lot of turnouvers and is a solid rebounder. Great with ball. If he gets into the rhythm he is literally unstoppable. Solid athlete, better than some other European guys. He has a lot of room for improvement.
CONS: He is not the strongest guy, but he can improve that. Very inconsistent defender, sometimes he seems like he is saving his power for attack. His court vision is not the best, but also not so bad. Sometimes he can be selfish.
I believe that he will become very useful NBA player some day. Suns should consider picking him if they pick center at 1. But I don't know American guys in that area of draft standings, so I can't compare him to them.
I know this is a weird question, but is there something wrong with his back? It has a weird curve or hump to it. Is he likely to have back trouble because of it?
11/10 for any Young Frankenstein reference.
Hey!
http://www.phx-suns.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 76#p114576
I should have said you needed to include a gif for the 11. Otherwise the grade is simply on effort.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:40 pm
by INFORMER
I'm thinking Holiday is the pick. I probably like Okobo a little more, but I'm fine with it. Now we just have to wait and see what happens at 31.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:45 pm
by Cap
Any chance of getting Okobo at 31? Or is he a first-rounder at this point?
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:52 pm
by INFORMER
A chance? Sure. But I don't think it is likely.
I would be very surprised if the Suns drafted both of them.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:21 pm
by Cap
I think I can live with Ayton-Holliday, if that’s how it works out.
If McD is serious about this “too many young players” talk, I would hope it’s the second rounders that get traded, not 16 and definitely not 1.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm
by ShelC
Would you trade #1 and Chriss or Bender for KLove and the 8th?
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:45 pm
by Superbone
ShelC wrote:Would you trade #1 and Chriss or Bender for KLove and the 8th?
No way!
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:13 pm
by In2ition
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm
Would you trade #1 and Chriss or Bender for KLove and the 8th?
No. They probably will move Love, but not until LeBron tells them he's "outta here".
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 6:33 pm
by O_Gardino
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm
Would you trade #1 and Chriss or Bender for KLove and the 8th?
Nope.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 7:02 pm
by Maldonado
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm
Would you trade #1 and Chriss or Bender for KLove and the 8th?
Hell no
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:19 pm
by Shabazz
Cap wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:21 pm
I think I can live with Ayton-Holliday, if that’s how it works out.
If McD is serious about this “too many young players” talk, I would hope it’s the second rounders that get traded, not 16 and definitely not 1.
First pick in the second round is quite valuable. Great for the draft and stash who slipped.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:43 pm
by carey
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm
Would you trade #1 and Chriss or Bender for KLove and the 8th?
I'd give them #16, Chriss/Bender, and their choice of Dudley, Chandler or Knight for just Kevin Love though.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 10:30 pm
by In2ition
Did anyone see ESPNs draft preview show tonight? They had the Suns pick Ayton #1 and Aaron Holiday #16. Michael Porter jr went 15. If that happened, I would trade up for MPJ and find a pg at 31.
Re: Who's your top guy at 16 if we keep the pick.
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:17 am
by Cap
Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:19 pm
Cap wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 5:21 pm
I think I can live with Ayton-Holliday, if that’s how it works out.
If McD is serious about this “too many young players” talk, I would hope it’s the second rounders that get traded, not 16 and definitely not 1.
First pick in the second round is quite valuable. Great for the draft and stash who slipped.
Yup, draft-and-stash is another good way to deal with the “too many young players” problem, assuming you see it as a problem.