Re: Game Day: Suns (3-12) @ 76ers (11-7), Mon 11/19/18
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:24 am
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Nothing you say could change how we already feel, Nodack.Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:19 amI know you guys will hate me but, as long as we really don’t have a competent pg and aren’t winning any Championship this year, I think making Booker the pg could be advantageous in the long run. It will be a big challenge and force him to be a better playmaker. When we do get a real pg Booker can go back to being a sg but Bookers increased ball handling and playmaking skills will only make him and the team that much more dangerous.
The team looked very impressive in the first quarter. The very first two plays were great. Booker and Ayton two man game. Booker throws it into Ayton on the block. Ayton throws it back out to Booker who makes a move and draws his man and Embiid as Ayton rolls to the basket and gets a perfect pass from Booker for and easy two. The very next play, the very same play. This time Booker makes his move and Embiid stays home. Booker banks it off the glass for two.
Foul foul foul foul. The game in the second half was tough to watch. So many fouls called. Pretty much every Sun seemed to be in fould trouble. That gets old real fast.
Overall the Suns are improving. A lot less turnovers helps a lot. Bridges is playing very well. Too bad he didn’t get to play in front of his home cheering section very much because of foul trouble. Nobody has beat them at home this year and the end of last year.
It's so odd to have 16 players under contract, but only 4 are true bigs. And 2 of those are Anderson and Bender. :/ . And we still can't find a good backup SG or any PG worth playing. So many unplayable guys on this roster.The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:33 amYes, hard to believe they couldn't have found room for him at a reduced price.
I just love watching Mikal Bridges play basketball because you can see that he loves playing. Does he even feel pressure with those big shots? He looks the same as he does on other shots - just happy to be on the court competing and fully confident that he can make the play.
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Tota Tota Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo
Rk Player Tm WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS%
1 Deandre Ayton PHO 1.4 16 16 32.3 7.3 11.9 7.3 11.8 0.0 0.1 1.9 2.5 2.4 7.9 10.4 2.7 0.7 0.6 2.1 2.8 16.4 .611 .617 .000 .611 .750 .631
2 Jaren Jackson MEM 1.1 16 14 25.3 4.9 10.0 4.4 7.9 0.5 2.1 2.4 3.2 1.5 3.1 4.6 1.3 1.3 1.9 1.6 3.8 12.8 .494 .563 .235 .519 .745 .559
3 Mitchell Robinson NYK 0.9 15 12 18.2 2.1 3.4 2.1 3.4 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.3 2.1 2.0 4.1 0.4 0.8 1.7 0.3 2.8 4.9 .608 .608 .608 .600 .619
4 Miles Bridges CHO 0.8 15 0 20.8 3.1 5.7 2.3 3.4 0.9 2.3 0.5 0.8 0.6 3.5 4.1 1.0 0.6 0.5 0.7 1.6 7.7 .547 .667 .371 .622 .667 .630
5 Wendell Carter CHI 0.8 17 17 25.9 4.4 9.4 4.1 8.3 0.3 1.1 2.3 2.9 2.2 5.2 7.4 2.3 0.6 1.9 1.6 2.9 11.3 .465 .489 .278 .481 .796 .532
6 Mohamed Bamba ORL 0.7 17 0 17.7 2.9 5.7 2.5 3.9 0.4 1.8 0.5 0.8 1.2 3.4 4.6 1.2 0.2 1.5 0.6 2.3 6.6 .505 .627 .233 .541 .571 .548
7 Hamidou Diallo OKC 0.7 15 2 14.4 2.5 5.1 2.3 4.3 0.3 0.9 1.1 1.5 1.1 1.4 2.5 0.4 0.9 0.2 0.5 1.8 6.5 .494 .531 .308 .519 .739 .557
8 Luka Doncic DAL 0.7 16 16 33.9 6.9 15.3 4.5 8.8 2.4 6.5 2.9 3.8 1.1 5.8 6.8 4.1 0.8 0.3 3.9 2.1 19.2 .453 .511 .375 .533 .767 .566
9 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander LAC 0.6 16 7 27.4 3.7 7.9 3.3 6.5 0.4 1.4 2.3 2.8 0.8 2.4 3.3 2.8 0.8 0.7 2.0 2.3 10.1 .468 .500 .318 .496 .822 .556
10 Landry Shamet PHI 0.6 19 2 20.9 2.5 6.2 0.8 1.5 1.6 4.6 0.7 0.9 0.2 0.8 1.1 1.1 0.5 0.2 0.5 1.7 7.3 .402 .552 .352 .534 .824 .558
11 Marvin Bagley SAC 0.5 17 0 22.8 4.6 9.0 4.2 7.9 0.4 1.1 2.5 4.0 2.6 3.5 6.1 0.9 0.4 1.2 2.2 1.9 12.1 .510 .530 .368 .533 .618 .560
12 Mikal Bridges PHO 0.5 16 3 19.9 2.8 5.9 1.6 2.7 1.3 3.2 1.1 1.3 0.2 1.4 1.6 0.9 1.3 0.4 0.9 2.4 8.0 .479 .581 .392 .585 .900 .623
13 Gary Clark HOU 0.5 14 0 17.2 1.4 4.0 0.2 0.3 1.1 3.7 0.4 0.4 0.8 2.5 3.3 0.5 0.4 1.0 0.1 1.4 4.3 .339 .750 .308 .482 1.000 .512
14 Donte DiVincenzo MIL 0.5 14 0 18.1 2.4 5.7 1.5 2.1 0.9 3.6 0.6 0.8 0.5 2.6 3.1 1.5 0.3 0.1 0.8 1.5 6.4 .425 .724 .255 .506 .818 .530
15 Allonzo Trier NYK 0.5 17 3 24.2 3.7 8.0 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.8 2.9 3.4 0.7 2.1 2.8 1.5 0.6 0.5 1.9 1.6 11.1 .463 .481 .400 .507 .877 .584
16 Omari Spellman ATL 0.4 16 8 19.6 2.6 6.6 1.7 3.6 0.9 2.9 0.8 1.1 1.9 3.2 5.1 1.2 0.7 0.5 0.6 1.8 6.8 .390 .466 .298 .457 .667 .478
Cap wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:54 amBridges creeping up the rookie rankings:Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original TableCode: Select all
Tota Tota Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Rk Player Tm WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Deandre Ayton PHO 1.4 16 16 32.3 7.3 11.9 7.3 11.8 0.0 0.1 1.9 2.5 2.4 7.9 10.4 2.7 0.7 0.6 2.1 2.8 16.4 .611 .617 .000 .611 .750 .631 2 Jaren Jackson MEM 1.1 16 14 25.3 4.9 10.0 4.4 7.9 0.5 2.1 2.4 3.2 1.5 3.1 4.6 1.3 1.3 1.9 1.6 3.8 12.8 .494 .563 .235 .519 .745 .559 3 Mitchell Robinson NYK 0.9 15 12 18.2 2.1 3.4 2.1 3.4 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.3 2.1 2.0 4.1 0.4 0.8 1.7 0.3 2.8 4.9 .608 .608 .608 .600 .619 4 Miles Bridges CHO 0.8 15 0 20.8 3.1 5.7 2.3 3.4 0.9 2.3 0.5 0.8 0.6 3.5 4.1 1.0 0.6 0.5 0.7 1.6 7.7 .547 .667 .371 .622 .667 .630 5 Wendell Carter CHI 0.8 17 17 25.9 4.4 9.4 4.1 8.3 0.3 1.1 2.3 2.9 2.2 5.2 7.4 2.3 0.6 1.9 1.6 2.9 11.3 .465 .489 .278 .481 .796 .532 6 Mohamed Bamba ORL 0.7 17 0 17.7 2.9 5.7 2.5 3.9 0.4 1.8 0.5 0.8 1.2 3.4 4.6 1.2 0.2 1.5 0.6 2.3 6.6 .505 .627 .233 .541 .571 .548 7 Hamidou Diallo OKC 0.7 15 2 14.4 2.5 5.1 2.3 4.3 0.3 0.9 1.1 1.5 1.1 1.4 2.5 0.4 0.9 0.2 0.5 1.8 6.5 .494 .531 .308 .519 .739 .557 8 Luka Doncic DAL 0.7 16 16 33.9 6.9 15.3 4.5 8.8 2.4 6.5 2.9 3.8 1.1 5.8 6.8 4.1 0.8 0.3 3.9 2.1 19.2 .453 .511 .375 .533 .767 .566 9 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander LAC 0.6 16 7 27.4 3.7 7.9 3.3 6.5 0.4 1.4 2.3 2.8 0.8 2.4 3.3 2.8 0.8 0.7 2.0 2.3 10.1 .468 .500 .318 .496 .822 .556 10 Landry Shamet PHI 0.6 19 2 20.9 2.5 6.2 0.8 1.5 1.6 4.6 0.7 0.9 0.2 0.8 1.1 1.1 0.5 0.2 0.5 1.7 7.3 .402 .552 .352 .534 .824 .558 11 Marvin Bagley SAC 0.5 17 0 22.8 4.6 9.0 4.2 7.9 0.4 1.1 2.5 4.0 2.6 3.5 6.1 0.9 0.4 1.2 2.2 1.9 12.1 .510 .530 .368 .533 .618 .560 12 Mikal Bridges PHO 0.5 16 3 19.9 2.8 5.9 1.6 2.7 1.3 3.2 1.1 1.3 0.2 1.4 1.6 0.9 1.3 0.4 0.9 2.4 8.0 .479 .581 .392 .585 .900 .623 13 Gary Clark HOU 0.5 14 0 17.2 1.4 4.0 0.2 0.3 1.1 3.7 0.4 0.4 0.8 2.5 3.3 0.5 0.4 1.0 0.1 1.4 4.3 .339 .750 .308 .482 1.000 .512 14 Donte DiVincenzo MIL 0.5 14 0 18.1 2.4 5.7 1.5 2.1 0.9 3.6 0.6 0.8 0.5 2.6 3.1 1.5 0.3 0.1 0.8 1.5 6.4 .425 .724 .255 .506 .818 .530 15 Allonzo Trier NYK 0.5 17 3 24.2 3.7 8.0 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.8 2.9 3.4 0.7 2.1 2.8 1.5 0.6 0.5 1.9 1.6 11.1 .463 .481 .400 .507 .877 .584 16 Omari Spellman ATL 0.4 16 8 19.6 2.6 6.6 1.7 3.6 0.9 2.9 0.8 1.1 1.9 3.2 5.1 1.2 0.7 0.5 0.6 1.8 6.8 .390 .466 .298 .457 .667 .478
Generated 11/20/2018.
Ayton certainly has the better TS% and lower TOV%, but that’s to be expected from a big man compared to a playmaker.The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:06 amCap wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:54 amBridges creeping up the rookie rankings:Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original TableCode: Select all
Tota Tota Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Rk Player Tm WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Deandre Ayton PHO 1.4 16 16 32.3 7.3 11.9 7.3 11.8 0.0 0.1 1.9 2.5 2.4 7.9 10.4 2.7 0.7 0.6 2.1 2.8 16.4 .611 .617 .000 .611 .750 .631 2 Jaren Jackson MEM 1.1 16 14 25.3 4.9 10.0 4.4 7.9 0.5 2.1 2.4 3.2 1.5 3.1 4.6 1.3 1.3 1.9 1.6 3.8 12.8 .494 .563 .235 .519 .745 .559 3 Mitchell Robinson NYK 0.9 15 12 18.2 2.1 3.4 2.1 3.4 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.3 2.1 2.0 4.1 0.4 0.8 1.7 0.3 2.8 4.9 .608 .608 .608 .600 .619 4 Miles Bridges CHO 0.8 15 0 20.8 3.1 5.7 2.3 3.4 0.9 2.3 0.5 0.8 0.6 3.5 4.1 1.0 0.6 0.5 0.7 1.6 7.7 .547 .667 .371 .622 .667 .630 5 Wendell Carter CHI 0.8 17 17 25.9 4.4 9.4 4.1 8.3 0.3 1.1 2.3 2.9 2.2 5.2 7.4 2.3 0.6 1.9 1.6 2.9 11.3 .465 .489 .278 .481 .796 .532 6 Mohamed Bamba ORL 0.7 17 0 17.7 2.9 5.7 2.5 3.9 0.4 1.8 0.5 0.8 1.2 3.4 4.6 1.2 0.2 1.5 0.6 2.3 6.6 .505 .627 .233 .541 .571 .548 7 Hamidou Diallo OKC 0.7 15 2 14.4 2.5 5.1 2.3 4.3 0.3 0.9 1.1 1.5 1.1 1.4 2.5 0.4 0.9 0.2 0.5 1.8 6.5 .494 .531 .308 .519 .739 .557 8 Luka Doncic DAL 0.7 16 16 33.9 6.9 15.3 4.5 8.8 2.4 6.5 2.9 3.8 1.1 5.8 6.8 4.1 0.8 0.3 3.9 2.1 19.2 .453 .511 .375 .533 .767 .566 9 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander LAC 0.6 16 7 27.4 3.7 7.9 3.3 6.5 0.4 1.4 2.3 2.8 0.8 2.4 3.3 2.8 0.8 0.7 2.0 2.3 10.1 .468 .500 .318 .496 .822 .556 10 Landry Shamet PHI 0.6 19 2 20.9 2.5 6.2 0.8 1.5 1.6 4.6 0.7 0.9 0.2 0.8 1.1 1.1 0.5 0.2 0.5 1.7 7.3 .402 .552 .352 .534 .824 .558 11 Marvin Bagley SAC 0.5 17 0 22.8 4.6 9.0 4.2 7.9 0.4 1.1 2.5 4.0 2.6 3.5 6.1 0.9 0.4 1.2 2.2 1.9 12.1 .510 .530 .368 .533 .618 .560 12 Mikal Bridges PHO 0.5 16 3 19.9 2.8 5.9 1.6 2.7 1.3 3.2 1.1 1.3 0.2 1.4 1.6 0.9 1.3 0.4 0.9 2.4 8.0 .479 .581 .392 .585 .900 .623 13 Gary Clark HOU 0.5 14 0 17.2 1.4 4.0 0.2 0.3 1.1 3.7 0.4 0.4 0.8 2.5 3.3 0.5 0.4 1.0 0.1 1.4 4.3 .339 .750 .308 .482 1.000 .512 14 Donte DiVincenzo MIL 0.5 14 0 18.1 2.4 5.7 1.5 2.1 0.9 3.6 0.6 0.8 0.5 2.6 3.1 1.5 0.3 0.1 0.8 1.5 6.4 .425 .724 .255 .506 .818 .530 15 Allonzo Trier NYK 0.5 17 3 24.2 3.7 8.0 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.8 2.9 3.4 0.7 2.1 2.8 1.5 0.6 0.5 1.9 1.6 11.1 .463 .481 .400 .507 .877 .584 16 Omari Spellman ATL 0.4 16 8 19.6 2.6 6.6 1.7 3.6 0.9 2.9 0.8 1.1 1.9 3.2 5.1 1.2 0.7 0.5 0.6 1.8 6.8 .390 .466 .298 .457 .667 .478
Generated 11/20/2018.
Let me see if I'm reading this right.....
Doncic = quantity
Ayton = quality
WS values rebounds and fg% more than a lot of other metrics do, so it tends to favor big men.The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:06 amCap wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:54 amBridges creeping up the rookie rankings:Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original TableCode: Select all
Tota Tota Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Per Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Shoo Rk Player Tm WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Deandre Ayton PHO 1.4 16 16 32.3 7.3 11.9 7.3 11.8 0.0 0.1 1.9 2.5 2.4 7.9 10.4 2.7 0.7 0.6 2.1 2.8 16.4 .611 .617 .000 .611 .750 .631 2 Jaren Jackson MEM 1.1 16 14 25.3 4.9 10.0 4.4 7.9 0.5 2.1 2.4 3.2 1.5 3.1 4.6 1.3 1.3 1.9 1.6 3.8 12.8 .494 .563 .235 .519 .745 .559 3 Mitchell Robinson NYK 0.9 15 12 18.2 2.1 3.4 2.1 3.4 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.3 2.1 2.0 4.1 0.4 0.8 1.7 0.3 2.8 4.9 .608 .608 .608 .600 .619 4 Miles Bridges CHO 0.8 15 0 20.8 3.1 5.7 2.3 3.4 0.9 2.3 0.5 0.8 0.6 3.5 4.1 1.0 0.6 0.5 0.7 1.6 7.7 .547 .667 .371 .622 .667 .630 5 Wendell Carter CHI 0.8 17 17 25.9 4.4 9.4 4.1 8.3 0.3 1.1 2.3 2.9 2.2 5.2 7.4 2.3 0.6 1.9 1.6 2.9 11.3 .465 .489 .278 .481 .796 .532 6 Mohamed Bamba ORL 0.7 17 0 17.7 2.9 5.7 2.5 3.9 0.4 1.8 0.5 0.8 1.2 3.4 4.6 1.2 0.2 1.5 0.6 2.3 6.6 .505 .627 .233 .541 .571 .548 7 Hamidou Diallo OKC 0.7 15 2 14.4 2.5 5.1 2.3 4.3 0.3 0.9 1.1 1.5 1.1 1.4 2.5 0.4 0.9 0.2 0.5 1.8 6.5 .494 .531 .308 .519 .739 .557 8 Luka Doncic DAL 0.7 16 16 33.9 6.9 15.3 4.5 8.8 2.4 6.5 2.9 3.8 1.1 5.8 6.8 4.1 0.8 0.3 3.9 2.1 19.2 .453 .511 .375 .533 .767 .566 9 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander LAC 0.6 16 7 27.4 3.7 7.9 3.3 6.5 0.4 1.4 2.3 2.8 0.8 2.4 3.3 2.8 0.8 0.7 2.0 2.3 10.1 .468 .500 .318 .496 .822 .556 10 Landry Shamet PHI 0.6 19 2 20.9 2.5 6.2 0.8 1.5 1.6 4.6 0.7 0.9 0.2 0.8 1.1 1.1 0.5 0.2 0.5 1.7 7.3 .402 .552 .352 .534 .824 .558 11 Marvin Bagley SAC 0.5 17 0 22.8 4.6 9.0 4.2 7.9 0.4 1.1 2.5 4.0 2.6 3.5 6.1 0.9 0.4 1.2 2.2 1.9 12.1 .510 .530 .368 .533 .618 .560 12 Mikal Bridges PHO 0.5 16 3 19.9 2.8 5.9 1.6 2.7 1.3 3.2 1.1 1.3 0.2 1.4 1.6 0.9 1.3 0.4 0.9 2.4 8.0 .479 .581 .392 .585 .900 .623 13 Gary Clark HOU 0.5 14 0 17.2 1.4 4.0 0.2 0.3 1.1 3.7 0.4 0.4 0.8 2.5 3.3 0.5 0.4 1.0 0.1 1.4 4.3 .339 .750 .308 .482 1.000 .512 14 Donte DiVincenzo MIL 0.5 14 0 18.1 2.4 5.7 1.5 2.1 0.9 3.6 0.6 0.8 0.5 2.6 3.1 1.5 0.3 0.1 0.8 1.5 6.4 .425 .724 .255 .506 .818 .530 15 Allonzo Trier NYK 0.5 17 3 24.2 3.7 8.0 3.0 6.2 0.7 1.8 2.9 3.4 0.7 2.1 2.8 1.5 0.6 0.5 1.9 1.6 11.1 .463 .481 .400 .507 .877 .584 16 Omari Spellman ATL 0.4 16 8 19.6 2.6 6.6 1.7 3.6 0.9 2.9 0.8 1.1 1.9 3.2 5.1 1.2 0.7 0.5 0.6 1.8 6.8 .390 .466 .298 .457 .667 .478
Generated 11/20/2018.
Let me see if I'm reading this right.....
Doncic = quantity
Ayton = quality
According to Gambo, McDonough wanted to trade for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Sarver made him trade for Mikal Bridges instead.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:39 amAs others have said, Bridges is awesome. Really glad that Ryan McDonough made a savvy draft-day trade deal to acquire him. Great GMing work there by our real GM.
Warren has been a great scorer this year, but the Suns are playing without a power forward. Warren doesn't rebound or defend enough to say he is playing power forward. I get we are in the stretch 4 era, but there is a reason why the team has rebounding and defensive issues. It's not an indictment of Warren; it's more of an indictment of the roster.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:49 amAs far as TJ goes, again, saying we have no PF is disingenuous. You can not like him, or think he needs to pass more or play more defense. I agree. But he has still been a very effective PF for us. There are 78 guys in the league that play significant minutes at the 3/4 without playing any guard/center. TJ is 8th in PER at 19.2. This isn't like PG where we have a borderline NBA player starting for us. We have a legit starting PF.
Ha!Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:39 amAs others have said, Bridges is awesome. Really glad that Ryan McDonough made a savvy draft-day trade deal to acquire him. Great GMing work there by our real GM.