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Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:40 pm
by Mori Chu
A bit off topic, but I have come to really hate traded pick swaps. It makes everything so complicated, especially when the swaps get re-traded. It reminds me of the subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 where banks would sell mortgages and resell them over and over.
I worry that it basically leads to a nullification of the (important IMO) Stepien Rule that blocks teams from trading their 1st round draft pick in consecutive years. I know some folks dislike the Stepien Rule (let 'em do what they want, even if they hang themselves, they say). But I strongly agree and support restrictions on GMs and owners to prevent them from doing stupid and short-sighted things that screw over their teams for years and years to come.
Now with all the pick swaps, you can essentially trade your pick every season. Sure, you will get *A* pick, but it won't be *your* pick, so you no longer receive any benefit from a bad season. That sucking / benefit relationship is crucial to the parity of the NBA and is really the only weapon for a horrible team to rebuild. The Suns have become the poster child franchise for how easy it is in the current CBA to completely destroy not only your team's present but also its future for almost a decade out.
I wish the next CBA would just ban future pick swaps being part of trades, or at a bare minimum, ban trading already-swapped picks. Or something. Get this complex labyrinthine garbage out of here. Call it the "Mat Ishbia is a stupid fuckhead rule", or just the Ishbia Rule for short.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:45 pm
by TOO
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:50 pm
Charlotte ultimately.
The Suns first traded the rights to a pick swap of their 2026 1st rounder to Washington. Then the Suns traded rights to a 2026 1st round pick swap to Orlando. So that meant that Washington would first have the right to swap picks with Phoenix. Whatever pick Phoenix would have after that would then be subject to being swapped with Orlando's, at Orlando's discretion.
This past season, the Suns traded their 2026 pick to Charlotte. Orlando the traded a 2026 first round pick to Memphis.
So that means after Washington and Orlando exercise/decline to pick swap, whatever pick the Suns have left over goes to Charlotte.
Whatever Orlando does with their pick swap option, they will send a 1st rounder to Memphis; it could the Suns' pick, Washington's pick, or Orlando's own pick.
One other complexity: Washington owes a 1st rounder to NY if it falls outside of the top 8 in 2026. If they are conveying a 1st rounder to NY, then Washington cannot swap with Phoenix.
Absurd
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:17 pm
by specialsauce
Well, fuck me
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:22 pm
by Split T
So most likely Memphis ends up picking in our slot next year(assuming they don’t trade it)…but Washington would actually be the team we need to get the pick from if we full on tanked…except we’d run the risk of them finishing 10th and that pick not swapping so it would go to memphis(through Orlando). So long story short, unless we acquire both the wizards pick(1-9) and the Memphis pick, we can’t guarantee picking in our own draft slot next year.
Safest move would be to get the Memphis pick and then at worst you pick 9th(assuming you tanked to make the suns pick top 9).
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:23 am
by Kryptonic
What a freaking mess.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:18 am
by O_Gardino
I hope there won't be a quiz on all that.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:27 am
by wpmiller42
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:50 pm
Charlotte ultimately.
The Suns first traded the rights to a pick swap of their 2026 1st rounder to Washington. Then the Suns traded rights to a 2026 1st round pick swap to Orlando. So that meant that Washington would first have the right to swap picks with Phoenix. Whatever pick Phoenix would have after that would then be subject to being swapped with Orlando's, at Orlando's discretion.
This past season, the Suns traded their 2026 pick to Charlotte. Orlando the traded a 2026 first round pick to Memphis.
So that means after Washington and Orlando exercise/decline to pick swap, whatever pick the Suns have left over goes to Charlotte.
Whatever Orlando does with their pick swap option, they will send a 1st rounder to Memphis; it could the Suns' pick, Washington's pick, or Orlando's own pick.
One other complexity: Washington owes a 1st rounder to NY if it falls outside of the top 8 in 2026. If they are conveying a 1st rounder to NY, then Washington cannot swap with Phoenix.
You seriously deserve a job in a front office somewhere for being able to see and explain all that.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:44 pm
by Superbone
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:09 pm
by JJ Slim
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:22 pm
by JeremyG
Michigan. Of course.
The fact that he looks like Joe Kleine scares me.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:25 pm
by INFORMER
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:22 pm
Michigan. Of course.
The fact that he looks like Joe Kleine scares me.
This is a bad take. Wolf is a great prospect. I don't care if he is Ishbia's nephew.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:58 pm
by Wally_West
Danny Wolf would be great. I worry about his size and defense but I feel like he has a high floor as a prospect. I think he’d be great playing next to Oso or maybe Jabari Smith?
Unless we draft a point guard or trade for one, this gonna be another of year with Point Book, Wolf would absolutely be great to help facilitate at the top of the key where book likes to throw to his big men.
Hence why that rumored Raptors deal, which is probably bullshit, would be so good. The 9th spot will have plenty of center prospects available there too besides Wolf.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:39 am
by Mori Chu
The Suns hosted potential lottery pick Danny Wolf for a workout during the pre-draft cycle.
If Phoenix acquires an additional 2025 1st-round pick, Wolf could be a top option they pursue.
Wolf averaged 13.2 points, 9.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists at Michigan.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:40 am
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:39 am
The Suns hosted potential lottery pick Danny Wolf for a workout during the pre-draft cycle.
If Phoenix acquires an additional 2025 1st-round pick, Wolf could be a top option they pursue.
Wolf averaged 13.2 points, 9.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists at Michigan.
Michigan State rival.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:04 pm
by INFORMER
Here are my preferred prospects:
1. Carter Bryant
2. Danny Wolf
3. Thomas Sorber
4. Maxime Raynaud
5. Walter Clayton Jr.
6. Nique Clifford
7. Rasheer Fleming
8. Cedric Coward
9. Tyrese Proctor
10. Johni Broome
11. Ryan Nembhard
12. Eric Dixon
13. Kadary Richmond
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:37 pm
by Mori Chu
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:04 pm
Here are my preferred prospects:
11. Ryan Nembhard
Brother of Pacers' Nembhard?
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:14 pm
by TOO
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:37 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:04 pm
Here are my preferred prospects:
11. Ryan Nembhard
Brother of Pacers' Nembhard?
Yep. A teenie weenie PG.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:15 pm
by BKinSJC
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:37 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:04 pm
Here are my preferred prospects:
11. Ryan Nembhard
Brother of Pacers' Nembhard?
Yeah, he's Andrew Nembhard's younger, shorter brother.
It's been a while since there's been a lesser sibling on the team, it's probably about time again.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:50 pm
by Split T
BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:15 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:37 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:04 pm
Here are my preferred prospects:
11. Ryan Nembhard
Brother of Pacers' Nembhard?
Yeah, he's Andrew Nembhard's younger, shorter brother.
It's been a while since there's been a lesser sibling on the team, it's probably about time again.
I guess Mason was the greatest plumlee
Re: 2025 NBA Draft
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:41 am
by Mori Chu
He's more of a Nemb-semi-chub.
