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Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Yay, SF4L has a non-broken-link avatar image! About time.

The broken avatar fit the feeling of the team last yr. haha.

SDC wrote:since the team has signed barbosa, i believe the suns should go with this starting lineup

bleds, knight, booker, warren, chandler

Don't like it. Keep Devin at the 2. Have Knight run the 2nd unit. They'll be enough mins for him.

Another positive about the Dudley signing is I heard him and Knight are pretty close. Think he can help talk Knight into buying into his role if he's still here.

I want Tyler Ulis to find mins. I don't think it will happen til after the deadline where a Tucker/Knight are moved, but I want them to give that kid an opportunity to succeed. I said it before, but he may already be the best decision maker on the roster, Has built in chemistry with Book, and I think would really thrive with Dudley as a stretch 4. Ball Movement will be at its best with Ulis in. I'm high on Ulis.

So now that the Suns signed all three draft picks, that should end any rumors of putting them in a trade for Westbrook or anyone else right now.

John Jenkins' minimum salary becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Monday.

Any thoughts? I think he's certainly worth the minimum salary - he's still young and has some upside since he can shoot the ball.

The Bobster wrote:John Jenkins' minimum salary becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Monday.

Any thoughts? I think he's certainly worth the minimum salary - he's still young and has some upside since he can shoot the ball.

I like Jenkins, bu we don't have any minutes for him. We have 5 guys who play SG. So I'd like to see him go somewhere he at least has a hope of getting some burn, and I'd like us to bring in an old guy to practice and mentor. Ronnie Price.

I don't know why you don't keep him on the roster. There is no way we get through half the season with either A) Our main guards healthy, or B) A trade. And he seems like a good asset to have.

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:John Jenkins' minimum salary becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Monday.

Any thoughts? I think he's certainly worth the minimum salary - he's still young and has some upside since he can shoot the ball.

I like Jenkins, bu we don't have any minutes for him. We have 5 guys who play SG. So I'd like to see him go somewhere he at least has a hope of getting some burn, and I'd like us to bring in an old guy to practice and mentor. Ronnie Price.

You still want to resign Price, even after signing Barbs?

Cap wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:John Jenkins' minimum salary becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Monday.

Any thoughts? I think he's certainly worth the minimum salary - he's still young and has some upside since he can shoot the ball.

I like Jenkins, bu we don't have any minutes for him. We have 5 guys who play SG. So I'd like to see him go somewhere he at least has a hope of getting some burn, and I'd like us to bring in an old guy to practice and mentor. Ronnie Price.

You still want to resign Price, even after signing Barbs?

I want to sign someone who knows that their contribution is not on the court, but in the locker room. Price seems to be already thinking bout his first coaching job, and he seems to have the respect of the team.

O_Gardino wrote:

Cap wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

The Bobster wrote:John Jenkins' minimum salary becomes guaranteed if he's still on the roster Monday.

Any thoughts? I think he's certainly worth the minimum salary - he's still young and has some upside since he can shoot the ball.

I like Jenkins, bu we don't have any minutes for him. We have 5 guys who play SG. So I'd like to see him go somewhere he at least has a hope of getting some burn, and I'd like us to bring in an old guy to practice and mentor. Ronnie Price.

You still want to resign Price, even after signing Barbs?

I want to sign someone who knows that their contribution is not on the court, but in the locker room. Price seems to be already thinking bout his first coaching job, and he seems to have the respect of the team.

I would not mind seeing Price added to the coaching staff. Obviously, it would be a big difference in pay for him, though.

O_Gardino wrote:

Cap wrote: You still want to resign Price, even after signing Barbs?

I want to sign someone who knows that their contribution is not on the court, but in the locker room.

I'm fairly confident that Barbs signed with that understanding. He is at best the 4th guard in the rotation after Bledsoe, Knight and Booker. If Ulis or Goodwin is ready to command playing time, he could be 5th or even 6th.

I think we can honestly say that Goodwin is not a part of our future. Even if he has the ability to play, we seem to have decided he isn't part of the future.

You're probably right about Goodwin.

But we're pretty excited about Ulis. So Barbs will be the 4th or 5th guard in the rotation, depending on how much we want to play Ulis. The contract Barbs signed suggests he understands that.

FWIW, 538's CARMELO ratings predict both Barbs and Ulis to have negative VORP this season.

Cap wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:

Cap wrote: You still want to resign Price, even after signing Barbs?

I want to sign someone who knows that their contribution is not on the court, but in the locker room.

I'm fairly confident that Barbs signed with that understanding. He is at best the 4th guard in the rotation after Bledsoe, Knight and Booker. If Ulis or Goodwin is ready to command playing time, he could be 5th or even 6th.

On a 15 person roster, I need 4ish players who have that understanding. That could possibly be Barbosa (coming off a great playoffs), it could possibly be Williams who may just be happy to be on a roster (despite his hustle that should earn him a look).

I just don't like to bury young talent, and I value veteran leadership.

Here are CARMELO's projected WARPS for our guys (including Price, though I don't expect to resign him):

+5.0 Bledsoe
+3.3 Knight
+2.3 Tucker
+1.8 Chandler
+1.5 Dudley
+0.9 Warren
+0.5 Booker
+0.4 Len
-0.0 Price
-0.2 Ulis
-0.2 Barbosa
-0.3 Jenkins
-0.3 Goodwin
-0.4 Chriss

Not evaluated: Bender, Williams

Cap wrote:You're probably right about Goodwin.

But we're pretty excited about Ulis. So Barbs will be the 4th or 5th guard in the rotation, depending on how much we want to play Ulis. The contract Barbs signed suggests he understands that.

FWIW, 538's CARMELO ratings predict both Barbs and Ulis to have negative VORP this season.

That is not surprising to me. Hoensly, Barbs is most effective when someone gets him the ball in the corner for a 3, or cutting to basket from the corner for an easy layup. Nobody on this team has shown an ability to distribute like that. And Ulis is a 2nd round pick. I would expect nearly all of them have a negative VORP their first year in the league.

Everybody likes to complain about Devin Booker's defense but I say... Don't judge a Book by its cover.

Superbone wrote:Everybody likes to complain about Devin Booker's defense but I say... Don't judge a Book by its cover.

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Cap wrote:Here are CARMELO's projected WARPS for our guys (including Price, though I don't expect to resign him):

+5.0 Bledsoe
+3.3 Knight
+2.3 Tucker
+1.8 Chandler
+1.5 Dudley
+0.5 Booker
+0.4 Len
-0.0 Price
-0.2 Ulis
-0.2 Barbosa
-0.3 Jenkins
-0.3 Goodwin
-0.4 Chriss

Not evaluated: Bender, Williams

Even 538 forgets about TJ.

OE32 wrote:

Cap wrote:Here are CARMELO's projected WARPS for our guys (including Price, though I don't expect to resign him):

+5.0 Bledsoe
+3.3 Knight
+2.3 Tucker
+1.8 Chandler
+1.5 Dudley
+0.9 Warren
+0.5 Booker
+0.4 Len
-0.0 Price
-0.2 Ulis
-0.2 Barbosa
-0.3 Jenkins
-0.3 Goodwin
-0.4 Chriss

Not evaluated: Bender, Williams

Even 538 forgets about TJ.

There you go, OE.