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Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:11 am
He had a real bad draft last year. Said we were trading up for SGA and then said we drafted Divincenzo. In his defense, it does sound like we almost did both of those things, but he reported them as being done.
I get the impression that the Jones camp ran the draft last year, but maybe only at the last minute/last couple days. Maybe that was exactly what McD wanted to do and was trying to do. Never know I guess.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
by iLLmatic
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:11 am
He had a real bad draft last year. Said we were trading up for SGA and then said we drafted Divincenzo. In his defense, it does sound like we almost did both of those things, but he reported them as being done.
It was while it was happening though, things can change when he's giving a minute by minute report of what's going on.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:14 am
by iLLmatic
Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:09 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:09 am
Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:44 am
I get the feeling the new regime wants to have each media mouthpiece/insider telling a different story. I think that is good as long as you don't piss off your sources too much. Gambo seems like a guy desperate to have insider status, so you can probably f*** with him over and over and over and he will keep coming back for more.
He rarely gives bad info regarding insider info on the Suns.
In the last regime, yeah. What has he shared (that other media folks didn't) since mcd is gone?
He's already refuted reports of the Suns targeting specific players. I'm pretty sure his insider source is the owner.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:38 am
by Split T
Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:11 am
He had a real bad draft last year. Said we were trading up for SGA and then said we drafted Divincenzo. In his defense, it does sound like we almost did both of those things, but he reported them as being done.
I get the impression that the Jones camp ran the draft last year, but maybe only at the last minute/last couple days. Maybe that was exactly what McD wanted to do and was trying to do. Never know I guess.
Ya I remember reading that McD wanted SGA, Jones wanted Bridges and Sarver sides with Jones
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:46 am
by In2ition
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:38 am
Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:11 am
He had a real bad draft last year. Said we were trading up for SGA and then said we drafted Divincenzo. In his defense, it does sound like we almost did both of those things, but he reported them as being done.
I get the impression that the Jones camp ran the draft last year, but maybe only at the last minute/last couple days. Maybe that was exactly what McD wanted to do and was trying to do. Never know I guess.
Ya I remember reading that McD wanted SGA, Jones wanted Bridges and Sarver sides with Jones
This is correct. McD was going to trade the Mil pick and 16 to move up to draft SGA, but was vetoed by Sarver. The next thing we know it's Mia pick and 16 for Bridges. I'm not going to kill them on this move, as I like Bridges.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:49 am
by Split T
Ya, I like Bridges too. I had Bridges and SGA 7 and 8 on my board last year. Essentially tied, but I gave the tie breaker to SGA because of position.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:55 am
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:49 am
Ya, I like Bridges too. I had Bridges and SGA 7 and 8 on my board last year. Essentially tied, but I gave the tie breaker to SGA because of position.
I think we would be in a better position (both last year and years to come) if we had done the McD deal. Less expenditures, and a position of more need.
Oh, and this is coming form a guy that loves Bridges.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:59 am
by ShelC
Yea SGA would've been a huge addition. Love Bridges, but the backcourt would pretty much be settled in my eyes.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:00 am
by Split T
Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:55 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:49 am
Ya, I like Bridges too. I had Bridges and SGA 7 and 8 on my board last year. Essentially tied, but I gave the tie breaker to SGA because of position.
I think we would be in a better position (both last year and years to come) if we had done the McD deal. Less expenditures, and a position of more need.
Oh, and this is coming form a guy that loves Bridges.
Ya, agreed. Especially if the deal really was only the Mil pick and not the Miami pick. I’m not sure the Miami pick ends up a ton better than the Milwaukee pick(Mil pick will be 25-30) but the Miami pick could be anywhere and that makes it much more valuable.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:02 am
by da_suns_fan
Its gonna be a junk back up PG and a rookie in the draft.
At the four they'll pay 4-5 mil for a junk backup PF.
And they'll remain perennial losers.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:03 am
by In2ition
At this moment, in hindsight the Suns would be in a much better position if they made the following moves in the last 2 drafts.
1. Drafted Fox instead of Jackson in '18 draft. They would have still sucked the following season, but last yr and going forward the PG position would have looked decent.
2. Traded down to maybe 3 or even 4 and drafted Jaron Jackson, still traded up to get Bridges at 10 and then drafted Mitch Robinson with the 31st pick.
That's 4 starters surrounding Booker that are defensive studs. Who knows what pick the Suns would have had this year, but we wouldn't be wringing our hands over possible silly trades or positional holes to fill right now.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:30 am
by jonh
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:03 am
At this moment, in hindsight the Suns would be in a much better position if they made the following moves in the last 2 drafts.
1. Drafted Fox instead of Jackson in '18 draft. They would have still sucked the following season, but last yr and going forward the PG position would have looked decent.
2. Traded down to maybe 3 or even 4 and drafted Jaron Jackson, still traded up to get Bridges at 10 and then drafted Mitch Robinson with the 31st pick.
That's 4 starters surrounding Booker that are defensive studs. Who knows what pick the Suns would have had this year, but we wouldn't be wringing our hands over possible silly trades or positional holes to fill right now.
Yeah, but hindsight is 20/20--you can always better evaluate a draft choice after the fact. A different question would be "why didn't we select fox rather than Jackson, and what changes can we make this year to better evaluate potential talent?" The Suns answer to this question seems to be "fire the GM as well as almost all of the draft personnel (and potentially just rely on youtube/tivo/nbadraft.net)?
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:38 am
by Split T
We didn’t draft Fox because we still had bledsoe(and Knight) and Jackson looked like a perfect fit alongside Booker.
Admittedly I was very high on Jackson and loved the pick(though I did slightly prefer Isaac) I thought he’d be a better playmaker and better defensively. Also his poor finishing at the rim has been surprising. I thought he’d be Igoudala.
I did like Fox too, he also had questions about his shot, but he’s answered that much better than Jackson. Fox is light years ahead of Jackson as a person and we should have factored that in more in the process.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:49 am
by Split T
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:52 am
by ShelC
Courtney Lee works straight up and is an ending contract. He'd give us some good depth at SG and a nice vet off the bench. TJ would do well in Dallas being able to cut and get passes from Luka.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:12 am
by Shabazz
I know TJ needs to go, but I'm pretty sure he's going to thrive at his next spot and there are going to be a lot of "what were the Suns thinking?" articles when he does. Doesn't matter. It just wasn't going to happen here.
The same may be true for Josh as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him excel somewhere else. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 3 years.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:18 am
by O_Gardino
I genuine hope TJ has a healthy thriving career wherever he ends up and that Josh can get his head straightened out.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:21 am
by Ring_Wanted
Keep Warren unless it is a move for an upgrade, not just more cap space and a low 1stR pick. Don't just give away talent on a good contract.
Dump Jackson so you free up 25mpg at the wings.
Draft/trade for/sign a PG and a real stretch big.
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:24 am
by ShelC
Re: Suns News: 2019 Off-Season
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:26 am
by Ring_Wanted
No surprise teams are showing interest in acquiring a proven scorer on a good deal from a dumb franchise. Sharks smell blood and FOs are lining up to fleece PHX.