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I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:52 am

Courtney Lee works straight up and is an ending contract. He'd give us some good depth at SG and a nice vet off the bench. TJ would do well in Dallas being able to cut and get passes from Luka.

Why even trade him if we get no future assets and no immediate cap space. All this does is give us space in 2020.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:24 am

Pacers have tons of cap space and not likely they’ll get many big names. Taking TJ into it makes sense.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

He is only "useless" to us because we have done such a shit job assembling a roster. You should be able to use a guy that shoots 40% from three and can score 18-20 points a game in the flow of the offense. Even if he doesn't do other things well. But he shouldn't be your 2nd or 3rd best player.

I'd rather have a veteran backup SG with an ending deal than TJ and the rest of his deal fighting for minutes against Oubre and Bridges or being forced to play PF.

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:30 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

He is only "useless" to us because we have done such a s*** job assembling a roster. You should be able to use a guy that shoots 40% from three and can score 18-20 points a game in the flow of the offense. Even if he doesn't do other things well. But he shouldn't be your 2nd or 3rd best player.

Gimme Oubre and Bridges shooting 37% but bringing some bounce, energy and defense. I can find scorers like TJ who don't rebound, aren't great defenders at their position and miss 20 games a year.

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:30 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

He is only "useless" to us because we have done such a s*** job assembling a roster. You should be able to use a guy that shoots 40% from three and can score 18-20 points a game in the flow of the offense. Even if he doesn't do other things well. But he shouldn't be your 2nd or 3rd best player.

Exactly. It's reaching a disrespect status and if the FO entertains a move with such mindset, we are going to get punished. Courtney Lee? Please.

Who do you really think we're getting back for TJ? Teams know we're looking to move him, know we have a logjam, know we're re-signing Oubre and have Bridges behind him. And there are like 30 SFs getting drafted tonight alone. So aside from getting a serviceable player back with a contract that ends earlier than TJ's, what are you expecting? It's not about disrespect, it's about reality. Should we head into next season with Oubre, Bridges and Warren on the roster?

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:49 am

Who do you really think we're getting back for TJ? Teams know we're looking to move him, know we have a logjam, know we're re-signing Oubre and have Bridges behind him. And there are like 30 SFs getting drafted tonight alone. So aside from getting a serviceable player back with a contract that ends earlier than TJ's, what are you expecting? It's not about disrespect, it's about reality. Should we head into next season with Oubre, Bridges and Warren on the roster?

Sure good points, but how does that drop his value to zero? Courtney Lee does nothing for this team and actually costs us cap space this year. 18 points, 43% from 3, fair contract. There will be a market for him.

Indy wrote:

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

He is only "useless" to us because we have done such a s*** job assembling a roster. You should be able to use a guy that shoots 40% from three and can score 18-20 points a game in the flow of the offense. Even if he doesn't do other things well. But he shouldn't be your 2nd or 3rd best player.

Except you forgot the part where he can’t stay on the floor.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:49 am

Should we head into next season with Oubre, Bridges and Warren on the roster?

I'm good with that rotation at the wings. Bridges and Oubre can also play minutes at SG. I know not many agree, but I'm also ok with TJ some minutes as a fake PF in small ball rotations.

Say Booker spends 30mpg at SG and 5mpg as our nominal PG. That leaves 18mpg at backup SG. Say Warren spends 8mpg (equivalent to one quarter of effective play) at fake PF, with 18mpg (two quarters) at SF for a total of 26mpg.

That means Oubre-Bridges are looking to share 48mpg (30mpg at SF and 18mpg at SG).

Make that a fluid situation, where all three are in the rotation but one guy gets more playing time depending on the matchup.

Really, I don't see how I need to dump Warren for scraps, unless the relationship with the franchise is broken for whatever reason. Jackson, on the other hand, should be gone asap.

Some roster balance would be nice for once instead of "this guy CAN play SG" and "this guy COULD move to PF" and "Book CAN play point for stretches". Let's try being 2 deep at each position instead of 1 viable PG, 1 SG, 4 SFs, 0 PFs and 1 C.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:55 am

Indy wrote:

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

He is only "useless" to us because we have done such a s*** job assembling a roster. You should be able to use a guy that shoots 40% from three and can score 18-20 points a game in the flow of the offense. Even if he doesn't do other things well. But he shouldn't be your 2nd or 3rd best player.

Except you forgot the part where he can’t stay on the floor.

I am all for trading TJ if we get an upgrade (even if it costs us future assets or longer contracts). But giving him away doesn't help us unless we plan to use that money. I am not sure what our cap situation is for the summer of 2020, but these rumored deals do nothing for us this year.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:10 am

Some roster balance would be nice for once instead of "this guy CAN play SG" and "this guy COULD move to PF" and "Book CAN play point for stretches". Let's try being 2 deep at each position instead of 1 viable PG, 1 SG, 4 SFs, 0 PFs and 1 C.

Agreed, but I don't think it is a stretch to say that Bridges can effectively play some time at 2 and 3. If his body fills out some, I think he can be effective as a small ball 4, too.

Oh, and we do not have 4 viable SFs. Right now we actually only have 2 under contract--Bridges and Warren. Sure we will likely bring back Ourbre, but that isn't done yet.

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:20 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:10 am

Some roster balance would be nice for once instead of "this guy CAN play SG" and "this guy COULD move to PF" and "Book CAN play point for stretches". Let's try being 2 deep at each position instead of 1 viable PG, 1 SG, 4 SFs, 0 PFs and 1 C.

Agreed, but I don't think it is a stretch to say that Bridges can effectively play some time at 2 and 3. If his body fills out some, I think he can be effective as a small ball 4, too.

Oh, and we do not have 4 viable SFs. Right now we actually only have 2 under contract--Bridges and Warren. Sure we will likely bring back Ourbre, but that isn't done yet.

Isn't Jackson still under contract? Do you not think of him as a SF?

jonh wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:21 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:20 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:10 am

Some roster balance would be nice for once instead of "this guy CAN play SG" and "this guy COULD move to PF" and "Book CAN play point for stretches". Let's try being 2 deep at each position instead of 1 viable PG, 1 SG, 4 SFs, 0 PFs and 1 C.

Agreed, but I don't think it is a stretch to say that Bridges can effectively play some time at 2 and 3. If his body fills out some, I think he can be effective as a small ball 4, too.

Oh, and we do not have 4 viable SFs. Right now we actually only have 2 under contract--Bridges and Warren. Sure we will likely bring back Ourbre, but that isn't done yet.

Isn't Jackson still under contract? Do you not think of him as a SF?

Key word might be viable

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:22 am

jonh wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:21 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:20 am

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:10 am

Some roster balance would be nice for once instead of "this guy CAN play SG" and "this guy COULD move to PF" and "Book CAN play point for stretches". Let's try being 2 deep at each position instead of 1 viable PG, 1 SG, 4 SFs, 0 PFs and 1 C.

Agreed, but I don't think it is a stretch to say that Bridges can effectively play some time at 2 and 3. If his body fills out some, I think he can be effective as a small ball 4, too.

Oh, and we do not have 4 viable SFs. Right now we actually only have 2 under contract--Bridges and Warren. Sure we will likely bring back Ourbre, but that isn't done yet.

Isn't Jackson still under contract? Do you not think of him as a SF?

Key word might be viable

ding ding ding

I know he plays SF a lot, but the guy was, once again, in the bottom 98th percentile of the league.

TJ for Courtney Lee and a future 2nd rounder, I'd do that. Get it done.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:55 am

Indy wrote:

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

I could honestly care less what we get for TJ. Just move him and his salary already. He's useless to us.

He is only "useless" to us because we have done such a s*** job assembling a roster. You should be able to use a guy that shoots 40% from three and can score 18-20 points a game in the flow of the offense. Even if he doesn't do other things well. But he shouldn't be your 2nd or 3rd best player.

Except you forgot the part where he can’t stay on the floor.

He’s great at falling to the floor though.

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