So you are not bothered by the 10 year drought we are in, because we had a good 5 years before that?
I would do it all over again if the opportunity presented itself, yes. It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
Just like I don’t regret the Dbacks mortgaging 10 years to go all in for that 2001 world series
But you don’t have to sabotage your future to be successful. You’re right that we chased after a lot of quick fix decisions that proved to further this drought(summer of 2010, Aldridge, 3 headed PG) but what you’re suggesting could just as easily be another one.
Trading away all our draft picks for a quick fix may work, or it may backfire. Philly may fall apart this summer if butler/Harris/reddick all leave. They went all in on that team and so far have topped out as a 2nd round playoff team. Are you ok if that’s our future?
I just want us to be patient. Ignore the last 9 years. Just focus on what we have now and what the best plan for sustained success is. I think drafting and developing talent are huge to that. We have a lot of talent right now, it’s all young. If we develop it right, continue to feed it through the draft, and make smart veteran additions via trade/free agency, we can have success for a long time.
I believe you draft stars and acquire role players. I’m not interested in waiting several years for rookies to max out as PJ Tucker level talent
So you are not bothered by the 10 year drought we are in, because we had a good 5 years before that?
I would do it all over again if the opportunity presented itself, yes. It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
Just like I don’t regret the Dbacks mortgaging 10 years to go all in for that 2001 world series
But you don’t have to sabotage your future to be successful. You’re right that we chased after a lot of quick fix decisions that proved to further this drought(summer of 2010, Aldridge, 3 headed PG) but what you’re suggesting could just as easily be another one.
Trading away all our draft picks for a quick fix may work, or it may backfire. Philly may fall apart this summer if butler/Harris/reddick all leave. They went all in on that team and so far have topped out as a 2nd round playoff team. Are you ok if that’s our future?
I just want us to be patient. Ignore the last 9 years. Just focus on what we have now and what the best plan for sustained success is. I think drafting and developing talent are huge to that. We have a lot of talent right now, it’s all young. If we develop it right, continue to feed it through the draft, and make smart veteran additions via trade/free agency, we can have success for a long time.
I believe you draft stars and acquire role players. I’m not interested in waiting several years for rookies to max out as PJ Tucker level talent
I don’t think I’m understanding you here, your points seem to contradict each other. You believe we draft stars, but you also think they will max out as PJ Tucker level role players?
So you are not bothered by the 10 year drought we are in, because we had a good 5 years before that?
I would do it all over again if the opportunity presented itself, yes. It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
Just like I don’t regret the Dbacks mortgaging 10 years to go all in for that 2001 world series
But you don’t have to sabotage your future to be successful. You’re right that we chased after a lot of quick fix decisions that proved to further this drought(summer of 2010, Aldridge, 3 headed PG) but what you’re suggesting could just as easily be another one.
Trading away all our draft picks for a quick fix may work, or it may backfire. Philly may fall apart this summer if butler/Harris/reddick all leave. They went all in on that team and so far have topped out as a 2nd round playoff team. Are you ok if that’s our future?
I just want us to be patient. Ignore the last 9 years. Just focus on what we have now and what the best plan for sustained success is. I think drafting and developing talent are huge to that. We have a lot of talent right now, it’s all young. If we develop it right, continue to feed it through the draft, and make smart veteran additions via trade/free agency, we can have success for a long time.
I believe you draft stars and acquire role players. I’m not interested in waiting several years for rookies to max out as PJ Tucker level talent
What did trading away nearly all our draft picks in the Nash years net us?
in 2004 we traded our pick (drafted Loul Deng) for a future draft pick (Nate Robinson) which we traded to get Kurt Thomas for 1.5 years before we traded him and 2 first round picks (one turned into Serge Ibaka) for cap relief...
So you are not bothered by the 10 year drought we are in, because we had a good 5 years before that?
I would do it all over again if the opportunity presented itself, yes. It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
Just like I don’t regret the Dbacks mortgaging 10 years to go all in for that 2001 world series
But you don’t have to sabotage your future to be successful. You’re right that we chased after a lot of quick fix decisions that proved to further this drought(summer of 2010, Aldridge, 3 headed PG) but what you’re suggesting could just as easily be another one.
Trading away all our draft picks for a quick fix may work, or it may backfire. Philly may fall apart this summer if butler/Harris/reddick all leave. They went all in on that team and so far have topped out as a 2nd round playoff team. Are you ok if that’s our future?
I just want us to be patient. Ignore the last 9 years. Just focus on what we have now and what the best plan for sustained success is. I think drafting and developing talent are huge to that. We have a lot of talent right now, it’s all young. If we develop it right, continue to feed it through the draft, and make smart veteran additions via trade/free agency, we can have success for a long time.
I believe you draft stars and acquire role players. I’m not interested in waiting several years for rookies to max out as PJ Tucker level talent
I don’t think I’m understanding you here, your points seem to contradict each other. You believe we draft stars, but you also think they will max out as PJ Tucker level role players?
What I’m saying is, I would prefer to draft only players who project to be future stars. We did well with Devin and Deandre. I also think we did well with shooting for the same in Josh and I think Mikal has that potential as well.
I would prefer to acquire the team’s role players through FA and trades. Drafting players who have low ceilings to me is not worth the gamble and time spent developing. I’m not interested in taking a chance on a rookie who’s ceiling if potential is realized is a PJ Tucker or a Mirotic. I’d rather just sign the proven PJ Tucker or Mirotic in the present to surround my stars.
So you are not bothered by the 10 year drought we are in, because we had a good 5 years before that?
I would do it all over again if the opportunity presented itself, yes. It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
Just like I don’t regret the Dbacks mortgaging 10 years to go all in for that 2001 world series
But you don’t have to sabotage your future to be successful. You’re right that we chased after a lot of quick fix decisions that proved to further this drought(summer of 2010, Aldridge, 3 headed PG) but what you’re suggesting could just as easily be another one.
Trading away all our draft picks for a quick fix may work, or it may backfire. Philly may fall apart this summer if butler/Harris/reddick all leave. They went all in on that team and so far have topped out as a 2nd round playoff team. Are you ok if that’s our future?
I just want us to be patient. Ignore the last 9 years. Just focus on what we have now and what the best plan for sustained success is. I think drafting and developing talent are huge to that. We have a lot of talent right now, it’s all young. If we develop it right, continue to feed it through the draft, and make smart veteran additions via trade/free agency, we can have success for a long time.
I believe you draft stars and acquire role players. I’m not interested in waiting several years for rookies to max out as PJ Tucker level talent
What did trading away nearly all our draft picks in the Nash years net us?
in 2004 we traded our pick (drafted Loul Deng) for a future draft pick (Nate Robinson) which we traded to get Kurt Thomas for 1.5 years before we traded him and 2 first round picks (one turned into Serge Ibaka) for cap relief...
Kurt was an outstanding addition. The biggest mistake in that time was trading him away. ‘07-08 was our most talented team IMO.
Tim Thomas was a great addition. Jim Jackson was great for the first year. Steven Hunter was serviceable. Grant Hill was great. JRich was great.
If I can turn a fist round pick into acquiring a proven role player Im all for it
I would do it all over again if the opportunity presented itself, yes. It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
Just like I don’t regret the Dbacks mortgaging 10 years to go all in for that 2001 world series
But you don’t have to sabotage your future to be successful. You’re right that we chased after a lot of quick fix decisions that proved to further this drought(summer of 2010, Aldridge, 3 headed PG) but what you’re suggesting could just as easily be another one.
Trading away all our draft picks for a quick fix may work, or it may backfire. Philly may fall apart this summer if butler/Harris/reddick all leave. They went all in on that team and so far have topped out as a 2nd round playoff team. Are you ok if that’s our future?
I just want us to be patient. Ignore the last 9 years. Just focus on what we have now and what the best plan for sustained success is. I think drafting and developing talent are huge to that. We have a lot of talent right now, it’s all young. If we develop it right, continue to feed it through the draft, and make smart veteran additions via trade/free agency, we can have success for a long time.
I believe you draft stars and acquire role players. I’m not interested in waiting several years for rookies to max out as PJ Tucker level talent
I don’t think I’m understanding you here, your points seem to contradict each other. You believe we draft stars, but you also think they will max out as PJ Tucker level role players?
What I’m saying is, I would prefer to draft only players who project to be future stars. We did well with Devin and Deandre. I also think we did well with shooting for the same in Josh and I think Mikal has that potential as well.
I would prefer to acquire the team’s role players through FA and trades. Drafting players who have low ceilings to me is not worth the gamble and time spent developing. I’m not interested in taking a chance on a rookie who’s ceiling if potential is realized is a PJ Tucker or a Mirotic. I’d rather just sign the proven PJ Tucker or Mirotic in the present to surround my stars.
Gotcha. For me it just depends...id expect a top 10 pick to give me a potential star, but I’m fine shooting for supporting players in the mid to late first
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:34 pm
by Indy
Which current starters still in the playoffs were drafted higher than our 6th pick this year? It isn't about having a #1 pick. It is about making smart choices, and making many choices. You don't give away rolls of the dice.
Of the 15 starters left in the playoffs:
0/15 #1 picks.
1/15 top 5 pick (and he was signed as a FA)
2/15 top 10 pick
4/15 2nd round picks
11/15 non-lottery picks
I don’t know if you’ve seen but we have picked up a couple of top notch development people recently.
Those are precisely the signings I was talking about, Bender is still salvageable to my eyes, as well as Jackson with the right development, although Jackson is carrying a hefty price tag to find out, Bender coming back for the minimum with a player option for year 2 works for me to find out if this new coaches are for real.
I don’t know if you’ve seen but we have picked up a couple of top notch development people recently.
Those are precisely the signings I was talking about, Bender is still salvageable to my eyes, as well as Jackson with the right development, although Jackson is carrying a hefty price tag to find out, Bender coming back for the minimum with a player option for year 2 works for me to find out if this new coaches are for real.
I am not sure there has been a worse player in the league over the last two years that got the minutes Josh got. It is crazy.
I don’t know if you’ve seen but we have picked up a couple of top notch development people recently.
Those are precisely the signings I was talking about, Bender is still salvageable to my eyes, as well as Jackson with the right development, although Jackson is carrying a hefty price tag to find out, Bender coming back for the minimum with a player option for year 2 works for me to find out if this new coaches are for real.
I am not sure there has been a worse player in the league over the last two years that got the minutes Josh got. It is crazy.
Which current starters still in the playoffs were drafted higher than our 6th pick this year? It isn't about having a #1 pick. It is about making smart choices, and making many choices. You don't give away rolls of the dice.
Of the 15 starters left in the playoffs:
0/15 #1 picks.
1/15 top 5 pick (and he was signed as a FA)
2/15 top 10 pick
4/15 2nd round picks
11/15 non-lottery picks
You have to make smart picks and then also be able to develop them.
The Suns have been 0 for 2.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:13 am
by carey
What are our thoughts on Mfiondu Kabengele? Seems to be Amare sized with a 7' 3" wingspan. Can also shoot it some. 37% from 3 and 77% from FT indicates a stroke could be there. Also 1.5 blocks per game? I'm guessing 6 is too high for him but could we be interested? Anyone rather go with him over Brandon Clarke?
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:23 am
by Flagrant Fowl
Luka Samanic is a guy I hope the Suns bring in for workouts. He probably won't be available at #32, but stranger things have happened. He's not as big as Bender, but I wish Bender played with the aggression Luka has shown.
What are our thoughts on Mfiondu Kabengele? Seems to be Amare sized with a 7' 3" wingspan. Can also shoot it some. 37% from 3 and 77% from FT indicates a stroke could be there. Also 1.5 blocks per game? I'm guessing 6 is too high for him but could we be interested? Anyone rather go with him over Brandon Clarke?
Luka Samanic is a guy I hope the Suns bring in for workouts. He probably won't be available at #32, but stranger things have happened. He's not as big as Bender, but I wish Bender played with the aggression Luka has shown.
I heard he had a good combine. Might be available at #32.
Not great in the post or on defense, but apparently can shoot and that is something Suns do not have in their big people.
Currently slated in top half of second round, depending on which mock draft you follow.
What are our thoughts on Mfiondu Kabengele? Seems to be Amare sized with a 7' 3" wingspan. Can also shoot it some. 37% from 3 and 77% from FT indicates a stroke could be there. Also 1.5 blocks per game? I'm guessing 6 is too high for him but could we be interested? Anyone rather go with him over Brandon Clarke?
He has nice stats, but every time I watched an FSU, I wasn't impressed. I still have a handful of games to watch, so maybe I'll see something in those.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:09 pm
by INFORMER
There is always stuff in this draft process that makes me roll eyes.
I love the drills where they have the guy dribble full court, some 5'6 guy stands in their way, they dribble around him and dunk. Seriously?! This is the crap GMs are flying around the country to see?
I also love Kevin Porter Jr. being called a scorer. He averaged 9.5 ppg. If you want to say he has tremendous offensive potential, go right ahead. He has range, can hit with accuracy, has great hops, great strength, and terrific handles in the halfcourt. But he scored 9.5 ppg. Scorers score. Kevin Porter Jr. did not score, at least not consistently.
2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:46 pm
by carey
INFORMER wrote:I also love Kevin Porter Jr. being called a scorer. He averaged 9.5 ppg. If you want to say he has tremendous offensive potential, go right ahead. He has range, can hit with accuracy, has great hops, great strength, and terrific handles in the halfcourt. But he scored 9.5 ppg. Scorers score. Kevin Porter Jr. did not score, at least not consistently.
Scuttlebutt is he was awful for his Spurs workout and was shut down by Charles Matthews.