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Ring_Wanted wrote:I believe the Suns are one of the very few teams that can afford to pass on adding Irving. He is great but comes with limitations in defense and passing. Do we really want to be the Blazers? Your turn-my turn at PG-SG doesn't seem like a great way to build a solid contender. If the cost is two 1stR picks and Bledsoe, I am leaning towards passing on the deal unless we served a smaller role or could just send Irving elsewhere and get a nice big man back (Indiana and Myles Turner?).

JCSunsfan wrote:

Ring_Wanted wrote:I believe the Suns are one of the very few teams that can afford to pass on adding Irving. He is great but comes with limitations in defense and passing. Do we really want to be the Blazers? Your turn-my turn at PG-SG doesn't seem like a great way to build a solid contender. If the cost is two 1stR picks and Bledsoe, I am leaning towards passing on the deal unless we served a smaller role or could just send Irving elsewhere and get a nice big man back (Indiana and Myles Turner?).

If you have a chance to get a superstar, and Kyrie is, you get him. If you have a chance to get a young superstar, you pay big time to get him. EVERY player has weaknesses. You get the superstar and then build a team around him. We cannot afford to be so in love with Booker that we do not see the value in getting Kyrie. The only reason I would not want Kyrie here is if he does not WANT to be here.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

djy2j wrote:I think Booker can be just as good of a defender as Klay Thompson if he puts the work in. Klay was a pretty big defensive liability when he came in. I see Booker as a more developed player both skill and bball IQ than Klay was at age 20 so I think the potential is there.

At this point I am not looking at comps with Klay anymore. Booker is showing tremendous playmaking ability. Way more ability than Klay to be an overall 1A offensive weapon. I see a chance to develop a monster scorer and while I want to see defensive improvement from him as well, I am not sure I'd try to burden Booker with the amount of pressure to spend energy on D that comes from having a proven non-defender at his side.

O_Gardino wrote:Kyrie is a really special scorer. You can't count him out as just a one on one guy. I do think if you end up with a Kyrie / Booker backcourt, you've got to get a very good coach to keep the ball moving and good shooters to spread the floor.

I agree Irving is more than an iso guy, but adding him does pose a number of questions marks, besides his integration offensively (which indeed would be questionable given the current coaching staff).

How is he going to take having to share the spotlight with a kid? He supposedly is demanding a trade to get out of LeBron's shadow. Why would I want to mess with Booker's status?

How are we going to defend the perimeter when shooting threes is the most important skill? M'fvcking Jackson can't cover the whole perimeter.

While we are at it, let's also remember that Irving comes with his fair share of injury concerns. And obviously, you have to pay the price to acquire him, which is not going to be small by any means (I already hate seeing PHX '18 pick in rumors).

Is Irving a real leader? Does he have strong connections to other stars that would want to come to PHX?

Nah, the more I think about it, the less I think the effort would be worth it.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

djy2j wrote:I think Booker can be just as good of a defender as Klay Thompson if he puts the work in. Klay was a pretty big defensive liability when he came in. I see Booker as a more developed player both skill and bball IQ than Klay was at age 20 so I think the potential is there.

At this point I am not looking at comps with Klay anymore. Booker is showing tremendous playmaking ability. Way more ability than Klay to be an overall 1A offensive weapon. I see a chance to develop a monster scorer and while I want to see defensive improvement from him as well, I am not sure I'd try to burden Booker with the amount of pressure to spend energy on D that comes from having a proven non-defender at his side.

O_Gardino wrote:Kyrie is a really special scorer. You can't count him out as just a one on one guy. I do think if you end up with a Kyrie / Booker backcourt, you've got to get a very good coach to keep the ball moving and good shooters to spread the floor.

I agree Irving is more than an iso guy, but adding him does pose a number of questions marks, besides his integration offensively (which indeed would be questionable given the current coaching staff).

How is he going to take having to share the spotlight with a kid? He supposedly is demanding a trade to get out of LeBron's shadow. Why would I want to mess with Booker's status?

How are we going to defend the perimeter when shooting threes is the most important skill? M'fvcking Jackson can't cover the whole perimeter.

While we are at it, let's also remember that Irving comes with his fair share of injury concerns. And obviously, you have to pay the price to acquire him, which is not going to be small by any means (I already hate seeing PHX '18 pick in rumors).

Is Irving a real leader? Does he have strong connections to other stars that would want to come to PHX?

Nah, the more I think about it, the less I think the effort would be worth it.

ShelC wrote:Another deal throw out there is:

Phx gets Frank and Love
NYK gets Kyrie and Chandler
Cleveland gets Melo and Bledsoe

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:I don't think Kyrie is requesting a trade to get out of Lebron's shadow. I think it's more that he thinks the team has already peaked and is going to decline, and that Lebron is going to leave next year, so he wants to get out while he still can.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:I don't think Kyrie is requesting a trade to get out of Lebron's shadow. I think it's more that he thinks the team has already peaked and is going to decline, and that Lebron is going to leave next year, so he wants to get out while he still can.

JCSunsfan wrote:Is it just my imagination or is it that wherever LeBron goes there is major drama?

INFORMER wrote:I don't think Kyrie Irving makes this franchise a contender, or even gets them closer to being one. With all this superteam stuff, people in the NBA and those who follow it have gotten lazy and oversimplified winning. Now people just say "go get a superstar." "Do whatever it takes to get a superstar!"

That's not how the Warriors won it all. That team is a calculated collection of the right players with complementary skills. When they added Durant, it wasn't just adding any superstar, it was adding a superstar that fit their team, fit the talent.

ShelC wrote:Kinda cool that the tables are being flipped on LeBron now. Cleveland knows he's leaving so Gilbert let the GM walk instead of paying, Kyrie wants out. I guess if LeBron won't commit to a team, a team won't commit to LeBron.

O_Gardino wrote:Booker + Kyrie > McCullum + Lillard

But still, you need the role players and coaches to keep the ball moving and get stops.

carey wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I don't think Kyrie Irving makes this franchise a contender, or even gets them closer to being one. With all this superteam stuff, people in the NBA and those who follow it have gotten lazy and oversimplified winning. Now people just say "go get a superstar." "Do whatever it takes to get a superstar!"

That's not how the Warriors won it all. That team is a calculated collection of the right players with complementary skills. When they added Durant, it wasn't just adding any superstar, it was adding a superstar that fit their team, fit the talent.

Is there a team Durant wouldn't fit? He has the game to fit anywhere because he's not a ball stopper and he plays decent defense.

carey wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:Booker + Kyrie > McCullum + Lillard

But still, you need the role players and coaches to keep the ball moving and get stops.

https://twitter.com/sreekyshooter/status/888493583006810116 I agree with Sreekar.