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Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 9:31 am
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:50 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:26 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:19 am
Jeremy, Knowing that Ishbia is a smart business man who loves hoops, do you still think Ayton is here next year after what you've seen during this playoff run?
This playoff run is not over. Ask me again when it is.
In case anyone was wondering why I haven’t been posting, I’m in the middle of a big move right now, so I wasn’t even able to watch the game last night. I heard he was playing through a rib injury or something though?
Good luck with the move. Moving sucks. Are you staying in state or is it a long move?
Thanks. It’s in-state, actually moving closer to Phoenix again, but moving over a several day period which is taking up almost all of my time haha. I should be able to catch the game tonight, though!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:36 am
by AmareIsGod
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:31 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:50 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:26 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:19 am
Jeremy, Knowing that Ishbia is a smart business man who loves hoops, do you still think Ayton is here next year after what you've seen during this playoff run?
This playoff run is not over. Ask me again when it is.
In case anyone was wondering why I haven’t been posting, I’m in the middle of a big move right now, so I wasn’t even able to watch the game last night. I heard he was playing through a rib injury or something though?
Good luck with the move. Moving sucks. Are you staying in state or is it a long move?
Thanks. It’s in-state, actually moving closer to Phoenix again, but moving over a several day period which is taking up almost all of my time haha. I should be able to catch the game tonight, though!
Is it a work-related move? Glad you're staying in state / in city! I hope you don't ever get too upset with my Ayton takes. We all have different basketball opinions and I love that. This isn't an echo chamber. Outside of disagreements on team or player views, I hope you know I respect and appreciate you and anyone here as a person. I always feel bad because I had a lot of beef on the boards with SwingMan and took it personally, as did he. I was a younger guy back then and I think him passing away was a learning lesson for me.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:03 pm
by Uncle_Gene
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:57 am
Dejounte Murray and Capela for CP3 and Ayton. Got to get star caliber players on the cheap.
Atlanta gave up a slew of first round picks to get Murray. They'd definitely want some first round picks back in return.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:04 pm
by virtual9mm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 6:58 am
I think we should trade Ayton for Trae Young. There, I said it.
Yes
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:05 pm
by virtual9mm
Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:03 pm
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:57 am
Dejounte Murray and Capela for CP3 and Ayton. Got to get star caliber players on the cheap.
Atlanta gave up a slew of first round picks to get Murray. They'd definitely want some first round picks back in return.
They're doing worse than the Suns and need a shake up. Old CP3 could be very good for them.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:08 pm
by virtual9mm
If the Celts bomb out, some friends were suggesting Jalen Brown for the Suns. For whom? Hard to say. You might need more than Ayton but if we want to flip Durant for Brown and other pieces, you could do a lot worse.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:11 pm
by Uncle_Gene
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:05 pm
Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:03 pm
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:57 am
Dejounte Murray and Capela for CP3 and Ayton. Got to get star caliber players on the cheap.
Atlanta gave up a slew of first round picks to get Murray. They'd definitely want some first round picks back in return.
They're doing worse than the Suns and need a shake up. Old CP3 could be very good for them.
After one season ? I don't know. Let's see what they do with John Collins first. His name had been in trade rumors for a while. I wouldn't be totally against that trade, I just don't see it happening.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:12 pm
by Split T
We aren’t trading KD…Ayton won’t get us Brown.
It’s gonna be more of the same next year, except we’ll try to upgrade spots 3-8.
KD/Book and role players is what we are. It would be nice to have 1 more guy who can create their own shot at a reasonable level, but I’m not counting on it.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:37 pm
by Drewsprocket
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:55 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:14 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:42 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:54 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:37 pm
Green must be included in anything with Dallas, period. He's got exactly what they need on the perimeter and he's dirt cheap. I'd take Kleber and THJ too, gimme all the shooting.
I doubt they would do this, but they probably will have their lottery pick too. It's just another thing that I would try to pry out of their hands.
Nobody is trading for DAs contract, let alone giving up assets to acquire it.
Ayton is going to be seen as salvageable. He’s still young. Everyone knows what he can be. All anyone really wants is 2021 playoffs Ayton. Expectations are simply too high, he doesn’t know how to function in the emotional milieu of a serious team who’s love language is work ethic, competitiveness, and geeking out on basketball. It’s just not who he is. There’s no Cam Johnson or Mikal Bridges to keep things light. Ayton is a likeable dude who everyone is nice too because they know he cracks when pushed too much.
FTFY.
Ayton is going to be seen as salvageable (by a team without options to get an actual star). He’s still young (and on a max contract). Everyone knows what he (once was before being paid). All anyone really wants is (rookie scale) Ayton.
I agree on all the other stuff.
I agree with your edits.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:40 pm
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:36 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:31 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:50 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:26 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:19 am
Jeremy, Knowing that Ishbia is a smart business man who loves hoops, do you still think Ayton is here next year after what you've seen during this playoff run?
This playoff run is not over. Ask me again when it is.
In case anyone was wondering why I haven’t been posting, I’m in the middle of a big move right now, so I wasn’t even able to watch the game last night. I heard he was playing through a rib injury or something though?
Good luck with the move. Moving sucks. Are you staying in state or is it a long move?
Thanks. It’s in-state, actually moving closer to Phoenix again, but moving over a several day period which is taking up almost all of my time haha. I should be able to catch the game tonight, though!
Is it a work-related move? Glad you're staying in state / in city! I hope you don't ever get too upset with my Ayton takes. We all have different basketball opinions and I love that. This isn't an echo chamber. Outside of disagreements on team or player views, I hope you know I respect and appreciate you and anyone here as a person. I always feel bad because I had a lot of beef on the boards with SwingMan and took it personally, as did he. I was a younger guy back then and I think him passing away was a learning lesson for me.
Thanks man, I appreciate that! I try not to take things personally, and I definitely understand and respect the anti-Ayton (or “ready to move on from Ayton”) crowd.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:48 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
We’ll get there, pal. Baby steps.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 1:39 pm
by JeremyG
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:48 pm
We’ll get there, pal. Baby steps.
I’ve always respected the anti-Ayton crowd. It doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 1:46 pm
by Kryptonic
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 1:52 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:39 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:48 pm
We’ll get there, pal. Baby steps.
I’ve always respected the anti-Ayton crowd. It doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Respected, yes. But you said “understand”, so I see a hope for you yet!
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 2:06 pm
by JeremyG
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:52 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:39 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:48 pm
We’ll get there, pal. Baby steps.
I’ve always respected the anti-Ayton crowd. It doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Respected, yes. But you said “understand”, so I see a hope for you yet!
Understanding an opposing point of view does not mean I am going to agree with it. I would rather change what I feel is at the root of the team’s problem (coaching staff) rather than keep shuffling the players and getting the same results.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 2:18 pm
by Mori Chu
Hope your move goes well, Jeremy. Moving can kind of suck, but it can also be a great time to reset, get rid of some old junk, and find a happier new place.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 2:32 pm
by Kryptonic
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:06 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:52 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:39 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:48 pm
We’ll get there, pal. Baby steps.
I’ve always respected the anti-Ayton crowd. It doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Respected, yes. But you said “understand”, so I see a hope for you yet!
Understanding an opposing point of view does not mean I am going to agree with it. I would rather change what I feel is at the root of the team’s problem (coaching staff) rather than keep shuffling the players and getting the same results.
You're not wrong about coaching... I agree we need a change and don't think Monty can lead these guys like he has in the past. There's a lot of issues with the Suns... it's a complex situation for sure and I'm hopeful this new ownership will help get the team steered onto the road to winning it all.
It's unfortunate that Aytons time here is ending on a negative note... I'm sure there's a team out there that will appreciate his skill set; which unfortunately isn't what fits this teams needs. We need a dirt worker and someone whos wanting to get physical.
Good luck with the move JeremyG! Hope it all goes well.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 3:00 pm
by Shabazz
I don’t think Monty failed with DA from a basketball perspective but it sure seems like he did on a personal level. He did not get DA to put his feelings aside and give max effort this year. DA was obviously salty about how the RFA process played out, despite the outcome, and the whole management team failed in smoothing that over. Not absolving DA. Dude got a max contract and loafed through the year, which is inexcusable.
Interesting that 40% of our starting lineup from our finals team is going to leave on really bad terms with Monty.
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 3:01 pm
by Shabazz
Kryptonic wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:32 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:06 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:52 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 1:39 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 12:48 pm
We’ll get there, pal. Baby steps.
I’ve always respected the anti-Ayton crowd. It doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Respected, yes. But you said “understand”, so I see a hope for you yet!
Understanding an opposing point of view does not mean I am going to agree with it. I would rather change what I feel is at the root of the team’s problem (coaching staff) rather than keep shuffling the players and getting the same results.
You're not wrong about coaching... I agree we need a change and don't think Monty can lead these guys like he has in the past. There's a lot of issues with the Suns... it's a complex situation for sure and I'm hopeful this new ownership will help get the team steered onto the road to winning it all.
It's unfortunate that Aytons time here is ending on a negative note... I'm sure there's a team out there that will appreciate his skill set; which unfortunately isn't what fits this teams needs. We need a dirt worker and someone whos wanting to get physical.
Good luck with the move JeremyG! Hope it all goes well.
Also, good luck with your impending move to cha-hornets.net. I hope those dudes appreciate DA in all the ways that we didn’t.
(Kidding, obviously. Hope you stay a Suns fan even when DA is balling in Guandong)
Re: All Things Ayton
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 3:17 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Maybe there will be a spot for him when Ishbia starts a Suns NBA2K League team.