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I've said for months that the biggest risk is a team signing him to a 3-year max with a PO after the 2nd year.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:50 pmThe thing I have been worrying about lately is, if you just let Ayton go shopping for contracts from other teams with the intent to match, you are playing with fire. For one thing, you force Ayton to go and sign with another team, which causes him to presumably commit to playing there and want to be there. Now if he stays in Phoenix, he's had that look at another team and doesn't want to be forced to stay here against his will. Secondly, the other team can put all sorts of awful poison pills into the deal that make it unpalatable for us. They can make the first year's salary higher to hurt our cap. They can add trade kickers so that we will get penalized for trying to sign him and deal him later. And so on. Basically Ayton and that other team can stick enough bad juju into that deal situation that we will be disincentivized from matching it, especially with cheapass trash Sarver running the team. It really isn't as simple as "just match whatever deal he signs."
I would much rather see us talk to him and negotiate a deal with him, say a 4-year max or whatever, if it's at all possible to do so. That's still better than he can get from other teams, and we can tell him if it doesn't work out for whatever reason, we'll help him find a better situation that we can trade him to. Everybody wins.
Yeah that would kind of force us to trade him during the season this year.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:26 pmI've said for months that the biggest risk is a team signing him to a 3-year max with a PO after the 2nd year.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:50 pmThe thing I have been worrying about lately is, if you just let Ayton go shopping for contracts from other teams with the intent to match, you are playing with fire. For one thing, you force Ayton to go and sign with another team, which causes him to presumably commit to playing there and want to be there. Now if he stays in Phoenix, he's had that look at another team and doesn't want to be forced to stay here against his will. Secondly, the other team can put all sorts of awful poison pills into the deal that make it unpalatable for us. They can make the first year's salary higher to hurt our cap. They can add trade kickers so that we will get penalized for trying to sign him and deal him later. And so on. Basically Ayton and that other team can stick enough bad juju into that deal situation that we will be disincentivized from matching it, especially with cheapass trash Sarver running the team. It really isn't as simple as "just match whatever deal he signs."
I would much rather see us talk to him and negotiate a deal with him, say a 4-year max or whatever, if it's at all possible to do so. That's still better than he can get from other teams, and we can tell him if it doesn't work out for whatever reason, we'll help him find a better situation that we can trade him to. Everybody wins.
"You're no fun!" Nope, still no "her" or "here". I promise you I'm not doing an Abbot and Costello routine. I have no idea of what you're talking about. A post that says "fixed" out of nowhere is really weird. Why didn't you quote the post you "fixed"?
Right. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Exactly. I mean who is a better center, Looney or Ayton? Bjelica or Ayton? Ayton or 36 year old Horford? Ayton's physical abilities dwarf them all, but I don't see either team being better with him starting for them.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:33 pmRight. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Smart teams who're interested in signing him have to be asking questions about this to Ayton and themselves. If a team, say the Pistons, signs him to a max contract with the expectation that he'll be their Center in a mostly similar role to what he's done in Phoenix, wouldn't they need some assurances that he'll commit to improving his game in that role? They have to be at least a little worried about why the Suns haven't been willing to do whatever it takes to keep him in Phoenix, and contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason isn't Robert Sarver.
Lmao.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:03 pmExactly. I mean who is a better center, Looney or Ayton? Bjelica or Ayton? Ayton or 36 year old Horford? Ayton's physical abilities dwarf them all, but I don't see either team being better with him starting for them.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:33 pmRight. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Smart teams who're interested in signing him have to be asking questions about this to Ayton and themselves. If a team, say the Pistons, signs him to a max contract with the expectation that he'll be their Center in a mostly similar role to what he's done in Phoenix, wouldn't they need some assurances that he'll commit to improving his game in that role? They have to be at least a little worried about why the Suns haven't been willing to do whatever it takes to keep him in Phoenix, and contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason isn't Robert Sarver.
OK, because I'm avoiding work, I took the time to finally find what you were talking about! I first read both of these posts before your correction (I think) and I missed your typo. I just thought AIG was just being funny with Ayton's gender identity which I thought was weird as he's one of Ayton's bigger defenders. Anyway, I can now sleep tonight.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:44 amIf that's truly the case, I hear the Mercury really need a center. People hardly ever dunk in the WNBA so Deandra would fit right in. Might even be an all-star.
If your boncic lasts longer than four hours you should call your doctor, am I right?specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:20 pmLmao.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:03 pmExactly. I mean who is a better center, Looney or Ayton? Bjelica or Ayton? Ayton or 36 year old Horford? Ayton's physical abilities dwarf them all, but I don't see either team being better with him starting for them.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:33 pmRight. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Smart teams who're interested in signing him have to be asking questions about this to Ayton and themselves. If a team, say the Pistons, signs him to a max contract with the expectation that he'll be their Center in a mostly similar role to what he's done in Phoenix, wouldn't they need some assurances that he'll commit to improving his game in that role? They have to be at least a little worried about why the Suns haven't been willing to do whatever it takes to keep him in Phoenix, and contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason isn't Robert Sarver.
Your boncic is getting in the way again
Oh yeah, for sure. And if it’s been 3 years, make arrangementsSuperbone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:24 pmIf your boncic lasts longer than four hours you should call your doctor, am I right?specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:20 pmLmao.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:03 pmExactly. I mean who is a better center, Looney or Ayton? Bjelica or Ayton? Ayton or 36 year old Horford? Ayton's physical abilities dwarf them all, but I don't see either team being better with him starting for them.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:33 pmRight. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Smart teams who're interested in signing him have to be asking questions about this to Ayton and themselves. If a team, say the Pistons, signs him to a max contract with the expectation that he'll be their Center in a mostly similar role to what he's done in Phoenix, wouldn't they need some assurances that he'll commit to improving his game in that role? They have to be at least a little worried about why the Suns haven't been willing to do whatever it takes to keep him in Phoenix, and contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason isn't Robert Sarver.
Your boncic is getting in the way again
We also did just fine without Booker or Paul. Didn’t skip a beat.
It is so funny to me that you normally bitch incessantly about guys avoiding contact, but you seem to embrace it with Ayton. Like you are 100% hot or 100% cold.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:20 pmLmao.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:03 pmExactly. I mean who is a better center, Looney or Ayton? Bjelica or Ayton? Ayton or 36 year old Horford? Ayton's physical abilities dwarf them all, but I don't see either team being better with him starting for them.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:33 pmRight. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Smart teams who're interested in signing him have to be asking questions about this to Ayton and themselves. If a team, say the Pistons, signs him to a max contract with the expectation that he'll be their Center in a mostly similar role to what he's done in Phoenix, wouldn't they need some assurances that he'll commit to improving his game in that role? They have to be at least a little worried about why the Suns haven't been willing to do whatever it takes to keep him in Phoenix, and contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason isn't Robert Sarver.
Your boncic is getting in the way again
Yes he avoids contact like a little bitch, but you’re hilarious saying he wouldn’t improve the warriors by replacing KEVON LOONEY or bjelica!!!! Horford!!!! LololololIndy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:08 pmIt is so funny to me that you normally bitch incessantly about guys avoiding contact, but you seem to embrace it with Ayton. Like you are 100% hot or 100% cold.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:20 pmLmao.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:03 pmExactly. I mean who is a better center, Looney or Ayton? Bjelica or Ayton? Ayton or 36 year old Horford? Ayton's physical abilities dwarf them all, but I don't see either team being better with him starting for them.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:33 pmRight. A big reason why I don't believe Ayton will ever be DOMINATYON at the Center position is because he doesn't actually want to do the stuff required, and it really puts a kink in the "get him more post touches" argument. He apparently wants to do stuff that he's not skilled enough to do (right now, maybe ever) at the expense of winning, and be paid at a superstar level to do it. That's a lot to ask of any team who's not in the rebuilding phase.
Smart teams who're interested in signing him have to be asking questions about this to Ayton and themselves. If a team, say the Pistons, signs him to a max contract with the expectation that he'll be their Center in a mostly similar role to what he's done in Phoenix, wouldn't they need some assurances that he'll commit to improving his game in that role? They have to be at least a little worried about why the Suns haven't been willing to do whatever it takes to keep him in Phoenix, and contrary to what a lot of people think, the main reason isn't Robert Sarver.
Your boncic is getting in the way again
Yeah, it sounds like the Suns latched onto that as a reason to get rid of him. But that success with McGee and Biyombo was because of Chris Paul.