The GOP / RNC
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Agree to disagree.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
Re: The GOP / RNC
I would expect no less. I know of millions of people that agree with me and millions that agree with you. We are at opposite ends. Both sides think America is done if the other guy is elected. Then again that’s pretty much standard talk every election. Nothing gets the vote out more than fear.
Trump Jan 6 - “You’re not going to have a country anymore unless you fight like hell.”
Trump Jan 6 - “You’re not going to have a country anymore unless you fight like hell.”
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
Re: The GOP / RNC
I’ve never thought that about any other Republican presidential candidate before. I didn’t even think that before Trump was elected. But I do now.Nodack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:45 pmI would expect no less. I know of millions of people that agree with me and millions that agree with you. We are at opposite ends. Both sides think America is done if the other guy is elected. Then again that’s pretty much standard talk every election. Nothing gets the vote out more than fear.
Trump Jan 6 - “You’re not going to have a country anymore unless you fight like hell.”
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
-Shaheen Holloway
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
-Shaheen Holloway
Re: The GOP / RNC
Yes, in the past I was afraid one of them might start another war or take away anything that helps lower income people. Maybe F with Social Security or health care but, never worried they might want to end Democracy in America and try a coup to stay in power or attack all US institutions as if they were the enemy of the people…until now.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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And don’t go away in2ition. I disagree with you most of the time and probably say things that insult you talking smack about your guy and I’m sure that bothers you. I can’t help my feelings towards Trump. I will try to be respectful towards you and anyone else who chooses to come to the fight club here in politics.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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I don't take it personally, unless you make it personal or go after my family. I just don't respond after every post, because it's not always productive to pushing the conversation forward.Nodack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:47 pmAnd don’t go away in2ition. I disagree with you most of the time and probably say things that insult you talking smack about your guy and I’m sure that bothers you. I can’t help my feelings towards Trump. I will try to be respectful towards you and anyone else who chooses to come to the fight club here in politics.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
Re: The GOP / RNC
I get it.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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This is a thoroughly corrupt political party, devoid of any morals or principles.
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In Michigan they have two GOP’s depending on which web site you go to. Both of them claim to be the legit one and say the other one isn’t official.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
Re: The GOP / RNC
Haley / DeSantis had a "who will come in second" debate last night. Meanwhile Trump did a friendly "town hall" TV event on Fox at the same time. Here are some clips from both.
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Not nice Roger
EXCLUSIVE: Here’s The Tape of Roger Stone Discussing Assassination of Democrats — Which He Denied Ever Doing
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclu ... ver-doing/
EXCLUSIVE: Here’s The Tape of Roger Stone Discussing Assassination of Democrats — Which He Denied Ever Doing
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclu ... ver-doing/
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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I liked this article.
Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer’s Big Secret: They’re Closer Than Ever
https://dnyuz.com/2024/01/13/mitch-mcco ... than-ever/
“On the big thing, the biggest thing, Schumer and McConnell are simpatico and that is they are believers in democracy. And they care about the institutions.
Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer’s Big Secret: They’re Closer Than Ever
https://dnyuz.com/2024/01/13/mitch-mcco ... than-ever/
“On the big thing, the biggest thing, Schumer and McConnell are simpatico and that is they are believers in democracy. And they care about the institutions.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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Uniparty in real time.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
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It sounds like we aren't getting a deal on the border / Ukraine / Israel any time soon. Some reporting that the GOP House leadership is intentionally sabotaging any hope of a deal because they don't want a "win" for Biden during election year. Cool. And note the siren and all-caps; this is how we report news, right? (In seriousness, Sherman is an NBC reporter.)
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Why The World Is Betting Against American Democracy
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... s-00135326
When I asked the European ambassador to talk to me about America’s deepening partisan divide, I expected a polite brushoff at best. Instead, the ambassador unloaded for an hour, warning that America’s poisonous politics are hurting its security, its economy, its friends and its standing as a pillar of democracy and global stability.
“I don’t know if in the coming years people will be looking at the United States as a model for democracy.”
A former Eastern European ambassador to D.C. worried about how some GOP war critics cast the Ukraine crisis as President Joe Biden’s war when “in reality, the consideration should be to the national interests of the United States.” An Arab diplomat
“The world does not have time for the U.S. to rebound back,” the former Asian ambassador said. “We’ve gone from a unipolar world that we’re familiar with from the 1990s into a multipolar world, but the key pole is still the United States. And if that key pole is not playing the role that we want the U.S. to do, you’ll see alternative forces coming up.”
Russia’s diplomats, meanwhile, are among those delighting in the U.S. chaos (and fanning it). The Eastern European ambassador said the Russians had long warned their counterparts not to trust or rely on Washington. And now what do they say? “We told you so.”
Some predicted that a Republican win in November would mean their countries would have to become more transactional in their relationship with the United States instead of counting on it as a partner who’ll be there no matter what.
Canadians worry US democracy cannot survive Trump's return to White House, poll finds
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 024-01-15/
OTTAWA, Jan 15 (Reuters) - About two-thirds of Canadians surveyed this month said American democracy cannot survive another four years of Donald Trump in the White House, and about half said the United States is on the way to becoming an authoritarian state, a poll released on Monday said.
Trump told European leaders that US ‘will never come to help you’
Then president told European commissioners in 2020 that ‘Nato is dead’ and the US would never defend Europe if it were attacked
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ope-attack
A majority of Europeans currently believe that a second term with former United States President Donald Trump in the White House would weaken the Continent’s security alliance with the U.S. — and they are right.
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-eur ... relations/
But while Europeans may not be able to determine the outcome of the upcoming U.S. elections, they can begin to build firewalls and take other measures — measures on military preparedness, the European Union’s decision-making processes, institutionalizing ties between transatlantic stakeholders, and guarding against a potential drift away from the U.S.
Europe must not be caught short if Trump wins again
https://www.ft.com/content/c8e21011-a2a ... 569bd0d197
In May 2017, after two bruising summits with the new US President Donald Trump, German Chancellor Angela Merkel famously told her peers: “We Europeans must now take our fate into our own hands. We have to know that we must fight for our future on our own.” Unfortunately, she never put those historic words into practice. When Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year, almost three months after Merkel had left power, the US had to intervene.
Ukrainians and Europeans were lucky enough that the man sitting in the Oval Office was not Trump but Joe Biden. Today, however, alarm bells are ringing in European capitals, where US opinion polls ahead of next year’s presidential election are being monitored with a degree of alarm. In 2016, Europeans were caught by surprise; this time, there are plenty of harbingers of the outcome they dread. Faced with the distinct possibility of Trump returning to the White House, Europeans should brace for the storm. Trump II will be even worse than Trump I, their friends in Washington warn: no more adults in the room, weakened checks and balances, hardened Republicans all around.
Trump’s Indifference on Ukraine War Sets Stark Choice for U.S. Voters in 2024
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-ukr ... e-d999df46
Donald Trump poses the biggest danger to the world in 2024
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/ ... ld-in-2024
Primary concern: Trump, Ukraine, and the Republicans’ foreign policy divisions
The candidates for the Republican primaries hold diverging views on the future of US foreign policy. In the event of a Republican victory, Europeans must prepare for an end to American support to Ukraine.
https://ecfr.eu/article/primary-concern ... divisions/
Trump’s second term may well be more extreme than his first term. Trump’s central policy concerns are domestic, driven by his belief that he will face a lengthy prison sentence if convicted of even a subset of his crimes. But he also understands that his political supporters would gleefully endorse dictatorial methods if used against Democrats, progressives, Muslims, immigrants, or their allies.
Trump has reportedly pledged to appoint loyal supporters to positions that have traditionally been nonpartisan and professionalised. He allegedly plans to surround himself with sycophants who will implement his most dangerous ideas about how to use federal power to crush his perceived enemies at home.
Unlike during his first term, Trump understands now that his personal fate depends on his ability to act decisively against core US institutions. This is not a secret, this is his campaign platform. He has a political team that will enable him to do this as soon as he takes office. Having failed on 6 January 2021 to overturn American democracy from the outside through seditious conspiracy, he will try to overturn it from the inside, using executive power.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... s-00135326
When I asked the European ambassador to talk to me about America’s deepening partisan divide, I expected a polite brushoff at best. Instead, the ambassador unloaded for an hour, warning that America’s poisonous politics are hurting its security, its economy, its friends and its standing as a pillar of democracy and global stability.
“I don’t know if in the coming years people will be looking at the United States as a model for democracy.”
A former Eastern European ambassador to D.C. worried about how some GOP war critics cast the Ukraine crisis as President Joe Biden’s war when “in reality, the consideration should be to the national interests of the United States.” An Arab diplomat
“The world does not have time for the U.S. to rebound back,” the former Asian ambassador said. “We’ve gone from a unipolar world that we’re familiar with from the 1990s into a multipolar world, but the key pole is still the United States. And if that key pole is not playing the role that we want the U.S. to do, you’ll see alternative forces coming up.”
Russia’s diplomats, meanwhile, are among those delighting in the U.S. chaos (and fanning it). The Eastern European ambassador said the Russians had long warned their counterparts not to trust or rely on Washington. And now what do they say? “We told you so.”
Some predicted that a Republican win in November would mean their countries would have to become more transactional in their relationship with the United States instead of counting on it as a partner who’ll be there no matter what.
Canadians worry US democracy cannot survive Trump's return to White House, poll finds
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 024-01-15/
OTTAWA, Jan 15 (Reuters) - About two-thirds of Canadians surveyed this month said American democracy cannot survive another four years of Donald Trump in the White House, and about half said the United States is on the way to becoming an authoritarian state, a poll released on Monday said.
Trump told European leaders that US ‘will never come to help you’
Then president told European commissioners in 2020 that ‘Nato is dead’ and the US would never defend Europe if it were attacked
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ope-attack
A majority of Europeans currently believe that a second term with former United States President Donald Trump in the White House would weaken the Continent’s security alliance with the U.S. — and they are right.
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-eur ... relations/
But while Europeans may not be able to determine the outcome of the upcoming U.S. elections, they can begin to build firewalls and take other measures — measures on military preparedness, the European Union’s decision-making processes, institutionalizing ties between transatlantic stakeholders, and guarding against a potential drift away from the U.S.
Europe must not be caught short if Trump wins again
https://www.ft.com/content/c8e21011-a2a ... 569bd0d197
In May 2017, after two bruising summits with the new US President Donald Trump, German Chancellor Angela Merkel famously told her peers: “We Europeans must now take our fate into our own hands. We have to know that we must fight for our future on our own.” Unfortunately, she never put those historic words into practice. When Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year, almost three months after Merkel had left power, the US had to intervene.
Ukrainians and Europeans were lucky enough that the man sitting in the Oval Office was not Trump but Joe Biden. Today, however, alarm bells are ringing in European capitals, where US opinion polls ahead of next year’s presidential election are being monitored with a degree of alarm. In 2016, Europeans were caught by surprise; this time, there are plenty of harbingers of the outcome they dread. Faced with the distinct possibility of Trump returning to the White House, Europeans should brace for the storm. Trump II will be even worse than Trump I, their friends in Washington warn: no more adults in the room, weakened checks and balances, hardened Republicans all around.
Trump’s Indifference on Ukraine War Sets Stark Choice for U.S. Voters in 2024
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-ukr ... e-d999df46
Donald Trump poses the biggest danger to the world in 2024
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/ ... ld-in-2024
Primary concern: Trump, Ukraine, and the Republicans’ foreign policy divisions
The candidates for the Republican primaries hold diverging views on the future of US foreign policy. In the event of a Republican victory, Europeans must prepare for an end to American support to Ukraine.
https://ecfr.eu/article/primary-concern ... divisions/
Trump’s second term may well be more extreme than his first term. Trump’s central policy concerns are domestic, driven by his belief that he will face a lengthy prison sentence if convicted of even a subset of his crimes. But he also understands that his political supporters would gleefully endorse dictatorial methods if used against Democrats, progressives, Muslims, immigrants, or their allies.
Trump has reportedly pledged to appoint loyal supporters to positions that have traditionally been nonpartisan and professionalised. He allegedly plans to surround himself with sycophants who will implement his most dangerous ideas about how to use federal power to crush his perceived enemies at home.
Unlike during his first term, Trump understands now that his personal fate depends on his ability to act decisively against core US institutions. This is not a secret, this is his campaign platform. He has a political team that will enable him to do this as soon as he takes office. Having failed on 6 January 2021 to overturn American democracy from the outside through seditious conspiracy, he will try to overturn it from the inside, using executive power.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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This made me laugh.
https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-told-re ... 12240.html
A week ago, at a campaign rally outside Des Moines, Ron DeSantis let loose on Donald Trump, telling a packed room of supporters that the former president had no interest in rewarding conservative values and is only interested in one thing: personal loyalty.
“You can be the strongest, most dynamic, successful Republican and conservative in America, but if you don’t kiss that ring, then he’ll try to trash you,” DeSantis said at a banquet hall in Ankeny, Iowa.
But as he withdrew from the 2024 presidential race on Sunday, DeSantis puckered up.
But both Lanza and Conant said that DeSantis’ failed presidential bid will continue to haunt him in one way or another. Conant said that DeSantis had largely “depleted his political capital” in Florida and nationally, and faces the difficult process of rebuilding his reputation. Lanza, on the other hand, said that DeSantis will need to rely on Trump to make up lost ground.
“I think it’s safe to say that unless Donald Trump tries to prop up Ron DeSantis, his political career is over,” Lanza said. “He has so alienated the base that it’s hard to see how anyone takes him seriously as a candidate going forward.”
https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-told-re ... 12240.html
A week ago, at a campaign rally outside Des Moines, Ron DeSantis let loose on Donald Trump, telling a packed room of supporters that the former president had no interest in rewarding conservative values and is only interested in one thing: personal loyalty.
“You can be the strongest, most dynamic, successful Republican and conservative in America, but if you don’t kiss that ring, then he’ll try to trash you,” DeSantis said at a banquet hall in Ankeny, Iowa.
But as he withdrew from the 2024 presidential race on Sunday, DeSantis puckered up.
But both Lanza and Conant said that DeSantis’ failed presidential bid will continue to haunt him in one way or another. Conant said that DeSantis had largely “depleted his political capital” in Florida and nationally, and faces the difficult process of rebuilding his reputation. Lanza, on the other hand, said that DeSantis will need to rely on Trump to make up lost ground.
“I think it’s safe to say that unless Donald Trump tries to prop up Ron DeSantis, his political career is over,” Lanza said. “He has so alienated the base that it’s hard to see how anyone takes him seriously as a candidate going forward.”
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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Idk, I think DeSantis can recover from this.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
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Only if he bends the knee, properly kisses the ring, says he’s sorry and promises his unwavering support.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
Re: The GOP / RNC
I am not sure what the Presidential candidates were thinking. They knew Trump had all the support and they went up against him anyway. They with the exception of Christy shied away from saying anything negative about Trump. I don’t see how you run against someone and then treat them with kid gloves and expect to overtake them in the polls. Haley and DeSantis started lobbing a few grenades near the end at Trump. By then it was way to late for that and only pissed off Trump. I just don’t see what they were trying to accomplish. DeSantis might have destroyed his career. He tried to out Trump Trump and failed. Haley I think is in a lot better position. She comes off as one of the few adults in the room. Out of all of the GOP candidates I would feel most comfortable with her.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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I think Haley's political career is in more jeopardy. If she loses NH and then South Carolina, she might be finished as a political animal.
I've heard it explained that Trump thinks of these things has transactional. Just like business, you make deals, undermine each other and then agree on a deal. Once the deal is agreed to and the contracts are signed, they move on, the transaction is over.
I've heard it explained that Trump thinks of these things has transactional. Just like business, you make deals, undermine each other and then agree on a deal. Once the deal is agreed to and the contracts are signed, they move on, the transaction is over.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."