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Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:48 pm
by Superbone
Here's a possible replacement:
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/901174412866670595

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:01 pm
by Split T
I'll take him for Brandon Knight

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:44 pm
by O_Gardino
bajanguy008 wrote:https://twitter.com/TheMattPetersen/status/901202083302518784 Some of you guys were discussing I think a kind of injury exception or something to that effect if he is out for the year. How exactly does that work
I was the one who brought it up, and I'll be honest. I have no idea if that is even a thing. I just assume it is.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:45 pm
by O_Gardino
Superbone wrote:Here's a possible replacement:
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/901174412866670595
I'll take him. Just throw in that Nets pick to sweeten the pot.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:43 am
by The Bobster
(c) Disabled Player Exception.

(1) Subject to the rules set forth in Section 6(m) below, a Team
may, in accordance with the rules set forth in this Section 6(c), sign
or acquire one Replacement Player to replace a player who, as a
result of a Disabling Injury or Illness (as defined below), is unable
to render playing services (the “Disabled Player”).
(i) An application for a Disabled Player Exception in respect
of a Salary Cap Year, regardless of when the Disabling
Injury or Illness occurred, may be made at any time from
July 1 through January 15 of such Salary Cap Year.
(ii) If a Team wishes to sign a Replacement Player pursuant to
this Section 6(c), such Replacement Player’s Contract may
be for one Season and provide Salary and Unlikely Bonuses
for the Salary Cap Year in which the player is signed
totaling up to the lesser of (A) fifty percent (50%) of the
Disabled Player’s Salary for the then-current Salary Cap
Year, or (B) an amount equal to Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level
Article VII 203
Salary Exception (as defined in Section 6(e) below) for
such Salary Cap Year.
(iii) If a Team wishes to acquire a Replacement Player pursuant
to this Section 6(c), the Replacement Player must have only
one Season remaining on his Player Contract and the
Replacement Player’s post-assignment Salary for the Salary
Cap Year in which the Replacement Player is acquired may
be up to the lesser of the amount described in Section
6(c)(1)(ii)(A) above or the amount described in Section
6(c)(1)(ii)(B) above, plus, in either case, $100,000.

(2) For purposes of this Section 6(c), Disabling Injury or Illness
means any injury or illness that, in the opinion of the physician
described in Section 6(c)(4) below, makes it substantially more
likely than not that the player would be unable to play through the
following June 15.

(3) The Exception for a Disabling Injury or Illness shall expire on
the March 10 following the date the Exception is granted.

(4) The determination of whether a player has suffered a
Disabling Injury or Illness shall be made by a physician designated
by the NBA, who shall review the relevant medical information
and, if the physician deems it appropriate, examine the player. The
NBA shall advise the Players Association of the determination of
its physician within one (1) business day of such determination. In
the event the Players Association disputes the NBA physician’s
determination, the parties will immediately refer the matter to a
neutral physician (to be selected by the parties at the
commencement of each Salary Cap Year) to review the relevant
medical information and, if the neutral physician deems it
appropriate, examine the player. Within three (3) business days of
receipt of such information (and examination of the player, if
requested), the neutral physician shall make a final determination,
which will be final, binding and unappealable. The cost of the
NBA physician will be borne by the NBA. The cost of the neutral
physician will be borne equally and jointly by the NBA and the
Players Association.

(5) If a Team requests an Exception pursuant to this Section 6(c),
the player with respect to whom the request is made shall
cooperate in the processing of the request, including by appearing
at the scheduled place and time for examination by the NBAappointed
physician and, if necessary, the neutral physician. The
player shall not make any misrepresentation or fail to disclose any
relevant information in connection with the processing of the
application.

(6) Notwithstanding a Team’s receipt of an Exception in respect
of a Disabled Player pursuant to this Section 6(c), such player,
upon recovering from his injury or illness, may resume playing for
the Team. If the player resumes playing for the Team, or is traded,
prior to the Team’s use of its Exception, the Exception shall be
extinguished.

(7) The Disabled Player Exception is available only to the Team
with which the player was under Contract at the time his Disabling
Injury or Illness became known or reasonably should have become
known. In order for a Team to apply for a Disabled Player
Exception pursuant to this Section 6(c), the Disabled Player must
continue to be on the Team’s roster from the time the Team
makes such application through the date upon which the
Exception is granted.

(8) If a Team makes a request for an Exception to replace a
Disabled Player pursuant to this Section 6(c) and such request is
denied, the Team shall not be permitted to make any subsequent
request for an Exception to replace the same player pursuant to
this Section 6(c) unless ninety (90) days have passed since the first
request was denied and the Team establishes that the subsequent
request is based on a new injury or an aggravation of the same
injury. If a Team makes a request for an Exception to replace a
Disabled Player for a Season pursuant to this Section 6(c), then,
whether such request is granted or denied, the Team shall be
permitted to renew its request for an Exception to replace the
Disabled Player for a subsequent Season(s) by applying for another
Exception in respect of that player for such Season in accordance
with the rules set forth in this Section 6(c).

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:50 am
by The Bobster
Shumpert would have one year, plus a player-option year left on his contract, so I don't know if he would qualify.

I would guess the Suns would be better off signing or renouncing Len and then just using their remaining cap space to sign or acquire a (cheaper) temporary replacement.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:29 am
by Superbone
The Bobster wrote:(c) Disabled Player Exception.

(1) Subject to the rules set forth in Section 6(m) below, a Team
may, in accordance with the rules set forth in this Section 6(c), sign
or acquire one Replacement Player to replace a player who, as a
result of a Disabling Injury or Illness (as defined below), is unable
to render playing services (the “Disabled Player”).
(i) An application for a Disabled Player Exception in respect
of a Salary Cap Year, regardless of when the Disabling
Injury or Illness occurred, may be made at any time from
July 1 through January 15 of such Salary Cap Year.
(ii) If a Team wishes to sign a Replacement Player pursuant to
this Section 6(c), such Replacement Player’s Contract may
be for one Season and provide Salary and Unlikely Bonuses
for the Salary Cap Year in which the player is signed
totaling up to the lesser of (A) fifty percent (50%) of the
Disabled Player’s Salary for the then-current Salary Cap
Year, or (B) an amount equal to Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level
Article VII 203
Salary Exception (as defined in Section 6(e) below) for
such Salary Cap Year.
(iii) If a Team wishes to acquire a Replacement Player pursuant
to this Section 6(c), the Replacement Player must have only
one Season remaining on his Player Contract and the
Replacement Player’s post-assignment Salary for the Salary
Cap Year in which the Replacement Player is acquired may
be up to the lesser of the amount described in Section
6(c)(1)(ii)(A) above or the amount described in Section
6(c)(1)(ii)(B) above, plus, in either case, $100,000.

(2) For purposes of this Section 6(c), Disabling Injury or Illness
means any injury or illness that, in the opinion of the physician
described in Section 6(c)(4) below, makes it substantially more
likely than not that the player would be unable to play through the
following June 15.

(3) The Exception for a Disabling Injury or Illness shall expire on
the March 10 following the date the Exception is granted.

(4) The determination of whether a player has suffered a
Disabling Injury or Illness shall be made by a physician designated
by the NBA, who shall review the relevant medical information
and, if the physician deems it appropriate, examine the player. The
NBA shall advise the Players Association of the determination of
its physician within one (1) business day of such determination. In
the event the Players Association disputes the NBA physician’s
determination, the parties will immediately refer the matter to a
neutral physician (to be selected by the parties at the
commencement of each Salary Cap Year) to review the relevant
medical information and, if the neutral physician deems it
appropriate, examine the player. Within three (3) business days of
receipt of such information (and examination of the player, if
requested), the neutral physician shall make a final determination,
which will be final, binding and unappealable. The cost of the
NBA physician will be borne by the NBA. The cost of the neutral
physician will be borne equally and jointly by the NBA and the
Players Association.

(5) If a Team requests an Exception pursuant to this Section 6(c),
the player with respect to whom the request is made shall
cooperate in the processing of the request, including by appearing
at the scheduled place and time for examination by the NBAappointed
physician and, if necessary, the neutral physician. The
player shall not make any misrepresentation or fail to disclose any
relevant information in connection with the processing of the
application.

(6) Notwithstanding a Team’s receipt of an Exception in respect
of a Disabled Player pursuant to this Section 6(c), such player,
upon recovering from his injury or illness, may resume playing for
the Team. If the player resumes playing for the Team, or is traded,
prior to the Team’s use of its Exception, the Exception shall be
extinguished.

(7) The Disabled Player Exception is available only to the Team
with which the player was under Contract at the time his Disabling
Injury or Illness became known or reasonably should have become
known. In order for a Team to apply for a Disabled Player
Exception pursuant to this Section 6(c), the Disabled Player must
continue to be on the Team’s roster from the time the Team
makes such application through the date upon which the
Exception is granted.

(8) If a Team makes a request for an Exception to replace a
Disabled Player pursuant to this Section 6(c) and such request is
denied, the Team shall not be permitted to make any subsequent
request for an Exception to replace the same player pursuant to
this Section 6(c) unless ninety (90) days have passed since the first
request was denied and the Team establishes that the subsequent
request is based on a new injury or an aggravation of the same
injury. If a Team makes a request for an Exception to replace a
Disabled Player for a Season pursuant to this Section 6(c), then,
whether such request is granted or denied, the Team shall be
permitted to renew its request for an Exception to replace the
Disabled Player for a subsequent Season(s) by applying for another
Exception in respect of that player for such Season in accordance
with the rules set forth in this Section 6(c).
You really expect us to read all that, Bobster? How about a tl;dr?

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:05 am
by Split T
Basically, as long as an NBA appointed physician says Knight won't be able to play this year, we get a player exemption. Salary can be up to half of Knight's contract. Not sure the contract matters since we are under the salary cap.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:06 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote:Basically, as long as an NBA appointed physician says Knight won't be able to play this year, we get a player exemption. Salary can be up to half of Knight's contract. Not sure the contract matters since we are under the salary cap.
Thanks, Split. My eyes kind of glossed over when seeing that block of text.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:39 pm
by O_Gardino
Superbone wrote:
Split T wrote:Basically, as long as an NBA appointed physician says Knight won't be able to play this year, we get a player exemption. Salary can be up to half of Knight's contract. Not sure the contract matters since we are under the salary cap.
Thanks, Split. My eyes kind of glossed over when seeing that block of text.
You would have read it if it was formatted like this:

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if( $dpeRequest.result = 'DENIED') {
    $canRequest = $FALSE
}
:P

edited 2x to fix compile errors

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:44 pm
by Superbone
O_Gardino wrote:
Superbone wrote:
Split T wrote:Basically, as long as an NBA appointed physician says Knight won't be able to play this year, we get a player exemption. Salary can be up to half of Knight's contract. Not sure the contract matters since we are under the salary cap.
Thanks, Split. My eyes kind of glossed over when seeing that block of text.
You would have read it if it was formatted like this:

Code: Select all

if( $dpeRequest.result = 'DENIED') {
    $canRequest = $FALSE
}
:P

edited 2x to fix compile errors
Heh. I'm not familiar with that language. I'm a C++ guy. Enlighten me. Cobalt?

I prefer my formatting and brackets like this:

Code: Select all

if ($dpeRequest.result = 'DENIED')
{
    $canRequest = $FALSE
}

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:45 pm
by bajanguy008
I know many here think it is inevitable that Bled will hurt his knee(s) again so this should make for "comforting" viewing :shock: :shock:

[youtube][/youtube]

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:47 pm
by bajanguy008
bajanguy008 wrote:I know many here think it is inevitable that Bled will hurt his knee(s) again so this should make for "comforting" viewing :shock: :shock:

[youtube][/youtube]
Oh btw , I was a big fan of Derek Anderson / Ron Mercer team and to see Derek and the number of guys at that alumni game. It is quite ridiculous how many UK guys been in the League. Ulis also played a little so clearly his ankle has to be fine now

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:07 pm
by The Bobster
Less competitive than the NBA All-Star Game.....

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:48 pm
by bajanguy008
The Bobster wrote:Less competitive than the NBA All-Star Game.....
Trust me I tried to watch the actual game highlights but it was laughable at best, don't know if they played more serious in the 2nd half but I didn't watch that much. I only posted those clips because I was surprised to see Bledsoe being on the end of multiple Rondo alley oops

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:31 pm
by O_Gardino
Superbone wrote:
O_Gardino wrote:
Superbone wrote:
Split T wrote:Basically, as long as an NBA appointed physician says Knight won't be able to play this year, we get a player exemption. Salary can be up to half of Knight's contract. Not sure the contract matters since we are under the salary cap.
Thanks, Split. My eyes kind of glossed over when seeing that block of text.
You would have read it if it was formatted like this:

Code: Select all

if( $dpeRequest.result = 'DENIED') {
    $canRequest = $FALSE
}
:P

edited 2x to fix compile errors
Heh. I'm not familiar with that language. I'm a C++ guy. Enlighten me. Cobalt?

I prefer my formatting and brackets like this:

Code: Select all

if ($dpeRequest.result = 'DENIED')
{
    $canRequest = $FALSE
}
Did I at least get your camelCasing right? Let's call the above Powershell, although there are probably 5 high-level scripting languages that could take the statement as-is.

I got to do a very little c++ at my last gig, and it sure is a whole different world.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:44 pm
by Superbone
O_Gardino wrote:Did I at least get your camelCasing right?
You did although I like to start my variables with a letter representing the type of variable.

For example:

nInteger
fFloatingPoint
bBoolean
sString

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:56 pm
by O_Gardino
Superbone wrote:
O_Gardino wrote:Did I at least get your camelCasing right?
You did although I like to start my variables with a letter representing the type of variable.

For example:

nInteger
fFloatingPoint
bBoolean
sString
Old. School.

:P

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:05 am
by carey
https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/902442548882493440 Tiny bit of Alex Len news. I assume he feels like a deal isn't close.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:24 am
by O_Gardino
Assuming we get Len for 4.3 (I think that's the QO), we would still be 15 million under the salary cap, and 9 or 10 million under the floor.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

So, with all of the bad contracts out there, I've been wondering why we haven't taken one back and added some picks.

Unfortunately, there are 8 teams under the cap at this point, so we might not have much bargaining power. For instance, Shumpert's salary seems perfect to take on, at only 11 million for 2 years. But there are 3 other teams that could absorb that contract, and a couple of others that could take it while only sending back minimal salary. GMs with salary to dump may wait to see who will take it with the smallest assets attached.