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Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:57 pm
by iLLmatic
I'm surprised the whole board didn't melt down over the news that djj is going to get signed by the heat.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:51 pm
by carey
I'm bummed, but it isn't worth a meltdown.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:36 am
by TOO
iLLmatic wrote:I'm surprised the whole board didn't melt down over the news that djj is going to get signed by the heat.
Meh, not an NBA player.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:01 am
by INFORMER
Chriss had his second productive outing in a row last night, although 4 turnovers in 20 minutes from your PF is rough.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:37 am
by iLLmatic
TheOriginalOriginal wrote:
iLLmatic wrote:I'm surprised the whole board didn't melt down over the news that djj is going to get signed by the heat.
Meh, not an NBA player.
Agreed. I just thought the majority of this board had an unhealthy love for DJJ. Sort of like INF and Matt Janning.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:54 am
by O_Gardino
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:The real problem I have with Chriss is, even when he's playing well, he just isn't the kind of player I want. He doesn't rebound or defend that well, and on his best night he's still mostly just a scorer and shot chucker. I will give him credit for somewhat better defense lately, including some great blocks. But he rarely has a strong rebounding performance, and the defense is mostly poor from him overall.

I much prefer Bender's game over Chriss's. Bender needs more confidence and a lot more experience, but he's a generally solid defender. I trust him out there a lot more than Chriss to still contribute something even when he isn't scoring much or when his shot isn't falling.

Neither Bender nor Chriss seems good enough to me to justify avoiding picking a PF/C if that's the clear BPA.
That's pretty much where I'm at with them.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:28 am
by TOO
INFORMER wrote:Chriss had his second productive outing in a row last night, although 4 turnovers in 20 minutes from your PF is rough.
He also fouled out in 20 minutes IIRC. Woof.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:53 am
by Ring_Wanted
TheOriginalOriginal wrote:He also fouled out in 20 minutes IIRC. Woof.
His foul rate is practically unchanged from last season, according to per 36 stats.

Rebounding is up to 8.6 from 7.2 (still very poor).

Stocks don't vary a lot in total although blocks have increased at the cost of some steals (1.4 on both accounts in '16-17, 1.0 and 1.7 this season).

The worst part is % on twos and threes as both are down making him go from a decent 45%FG last year to 42% this season. And that's on relatively lots of fewer attempts per game too, as he took three more shots per36 last year. This matches the eye test, as you can often see him just passively looking at stuff on offense.

Sounds a bit too harsh, but the clock is ticking.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:27 am
by virtual9mm
Anyone else think that Watson was the one in the room pushing for the Suns to draft Chriss, while McD was pushing to draft Bender?

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:38 am
by Ring_Wanted
virtual9mm wrote:Anyone else think that Watson was the one in the room pushing for the Suns to draft Chriss, while McD was pushing to draft Bender?
Apparently when the Suns worked him out, Watson was throwing Chriss lobs and he broke the rim. Watson even compared Chriss to Lamarcus Aldridge. Combine this with the fact that Bender went in first but didn't play in favor of Chriss and it probably means Watson was the one who pushed for Chriss.

Boy did I hate the way Watson handled Bender last year. Making a #4 overall pick basically lose a season for a rebuilding team is inexcusable.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:27 am
by ShelC
Anyone else think that Watson was the one in the room pushing for the Suns to draft Chriss, while McD was pushing to draft Bender?
I thought that was confirmed, if not common knowledge already? Or, at least that was the consensus last year given McDs quotes after the draft about wanting both guys but not being able to decide. Then there was W****n's coddling and favoritism towards Chriss.

W****n needs the asterisk treatment. Can we make that happen?

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:15 am
by Mori Chu
ShelC wrote:W****n needs the asterisk treatment. Can we make that happen?
I gave him the asterisk treatment for a day or two, like a month ago. But people said they felt it wasn't deserved, because Watson wasn't a truly hated Sun and tried his best. I could go either way on it, but the majority seemed to want his name un-asterisked. Thoughts?

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:42 am
by O_Gardino
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
ShelC wrote:W****n needs the asterisk treatment. Can we make that happen?
I gave him the asterisk treatment for a day or two, like a month ago. But people said they felt it wasn't deserved, because Watson wasn't a truly hated Sun and tried his best. I could go either way on it, but the majority seemed to want his name un-asterisked. Thoughts?
I think he deserves the astrix.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:47 am
by specialsauce
I would set it to autocorrect to the poop emoji

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:51 am
by Cap
specialsauce wrote:I would set it to autocorrect to the poop emoji
And Frank Johnson gets the eggplant treatment.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:32 pm
by Superbone
O_Gardino wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
ShelC wrote:W****n needs the asterisk treatment. Can we make that happen?
I gave him the asterisk treatment for a day or two, like a month ago. But people said they felt it wasn't deserved, because Watson wasn't a truly hated Sun and tried his best. I could go either way on it, but the majority seemed to want his name un-asterisked. Thoughts?
I think he deserves the astrix.
I'm against it. It loses meaning if you abuse it. You really all HATE him? As in an all-time hated Sun? Really?

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:32 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I would set it to autocorrect to the poop emoji
And Frank Johnson gets the eggplant treatment.
That's a black mark in Mori's history.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:34 pm
by Cap
Superbone wrote:
Cap wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I would set it to autocorrect to the poop emoji
And Frank Johnson gets the eggplant treatment.
That's a black mark in Mori's history.
And he will never live it down, unless he outlives all of us.

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:38 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote:
Superbone wrote:
Cap wrote:
specialsauce wrote:I would set it to autocorrect to the poop emoji
And Frank Johnson gets the eggplant treatment.
That's a black mark in Mori's history.
And he will never live it down, unless he outlives all of us.
Heh. Nope!

Wow, looking at your sig, when do we finish evaluating that first one? 15-20 years after both players careers are over? Man, talk about a long signature shelf life. Wait just re-read it. 2020? That doesn't mesh with "when all is said and done".

Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/18-12/24

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:39 pm
by LazarusLong
Superbone wrote:
O_Gardino wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
ShelC wrote:W****n needs the asterisk treatment. Can we make that happen?
I gave him the asterisk treatment for a day or two, like a month ago. But people said they felt it wasn't deserved, because Watson wasn't a truly hated Sun and tried his best. I could go either way on it, but the majority seemed to want his name un-asterisked. Thoughts?
I think he deserves the astrix.
I'm against it. It loses meaning if you abuse it. You really all HATE him? As in an all-time hated Sun? Really?
Lindsey Hunter was totally clueless.
He'd be a leading candidate for the toilet bowl ring of dishonor, if the Suns had one.

Earl at least had a coaching philosophy, as misplaced as it was.