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gosuns wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:31 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:20 pm

So I take that back--We won those 3:47 by 1 point. Here are the stats for the 3:47 to finish the second where Holmes and Ayton played together:

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Start   51-49
Finish  58-57
Pts Net +1 Suns
Trb Net +1 Suns
Ast Net +1 Suns
TOs Net +1 Hawks (meaning they had 1 more TO)

Interesting. If i recall well the first Hawks possession they got like 3 offensive rebounds. Remarkable that we still ended up outrebounding them. Plus giving up just 7 points in that stretch isn’t bad. Obviously it’s not enough time to judge anything,

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:38 am

gosuns wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:31 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:20 pm

So I take that back--We won those 3:47 by 1 point. Here are the stats for the 3:47 to finish the second where Holmes and Ayton played together:

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Start   51-49
Finish  58-57
Pts Net +1 Suns
Trb Net +1 Suns
Ast Net +1 Suns
TOs Net +1 Hawks (meaning they had 1 more TO)

Interesting. If i recall well the first Hawks possession they got like 3 offensive rebounds. Remarkable that we still ended up outrebounding them. Plus giving up just 7 points in that stretch isn’t bad. Obviously it’s not enough time to judge anything,

Keep in mind that the way rebounding stats work plays a role. If we take a shot, it rebounds, hits a Hawks player and goes out of bounds, that is an Offensive Rebound for us. Or at the end of the quarter, when Oubre took that half-court shot, it wasn't recovered by the Hawks before time expired, and that counts as an O-board for us. If you only count rebounds by a person instead of "team rebounds" we played even in that 3:47.

gosuns wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:30 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:38 am

gosuns wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:31 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:20 pm

So I take that back--We won those 3:47 by 1 point. Here are the stats for the 3:47 to finish the second where Holmes and Ayton played together:

Code: Select all

Start   51-49
Finish  58-57
Pts Net +1 Suns
Trb Net +1 Suns
Ast Net +1 Suns
TOs Net +1 Hawks (meaning they had 1 more TO)

Interesting. If i recall well the first Hawks possession they got like 3 offensive rebounds. Remarkable that we still ended up outrebounding them. Plus giving up just 7 points in that stretch isn’t bad. Obviously it’s not enough time to judge anything,

Keep in mind that the way rebounding stats work plays a role. If we take a shot, it rebounds, hits a Hawks player and goes out of bounds, that is an Offensive Rebound for us. Or at the end of the quarter, when Oubre took that half-court shot, it wasn't recovered by the Hawks before time expired, and that counts as an O-board for us. If you only count rebounds by a person instead of "team rebounds" we played even in that 3:47.

Got it. We will see if Igor will try playing them together again. I hope so.

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:35 am

We'd draft Zion and nobody would get him the ball. Coach would have him hang out by the half court line yelling reads while Ayton dances around the 3-point line setting screens and rolling to Zion to distract the other team by the half court line. Then the ball would be fed to Warren where it would disappear into a black hole, never to be seen again. Booker would get kicked in the throat in front of an official that would call a flagrant foul on Bookers neck for making contact with the defenders shoe while Igor folds his arms walking back and forth quietly. Bookers head will explode from frustration because Igor doesn't have anyone's back and he'd get ejected for getting blood on the scorers table.

What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter who we draft. If we can't play to our strengths and abuse our opponents in the paint where we have a clear advantage, why would drafting Zion do anything to improve our team?

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:24 pm

I'm all for getting Ayton the ball, but posting him up, unless he has deep position, is not efficient basketball. He doesn't seem to have many moves if he's catching it from more than 7 feet out other than a turnaround jumper. Establishing deep position is key for him.

Indy wrote:

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:24 pm

I'm all for getting Ayton the ball, but posting him up, unless he has deep position, is not efficient basketball. He doesn't seem to have many moves if he's catching it from more than 7 feet out other than a turnaround jumper. Establishing deep position is key for him.

Agreed. If he is facing the basket from the elbow, that is fine, but he really only tries jumpers from there. He doesn't drive to the basket unless he is already rolling and is given the ball at the rim. But if he isn't right near the basket, posting him up hasn't been effective.

I really wish we could see him try to move with the ball towards the basket...

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:28 pm

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:24 pm

I'm all for getting Ayton the ball, but posting him up, unless he has deep position, is not efficient basketball. He doesn't seem to have many moves if he's catching it from more than 7 feet out other than a turnaround jumper. Establishing deep position is key for him.

Agreed. If he is facing the basket from the elbow, that is fine, but he really only tries jumpers from there. He doesn't drive to the basket unless he is already rolling and is given the ball at the rim. But if he isn't right near the basket, posting him up hasn't been effective.

I really wish we could see him try to move with the ball towards the basket...

ShelC wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:10 am

Where did Melton go?

Establishing deep position is key for the offense.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:36 am

I have no problem with our wingplay.