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You want to government to tell someone how much profit they are allowed to make by selling a product, though?

Have argued over health care in these political threads here at pxh-suns.net for literally decades. Of course prices are too high. The cost of health care has been skyrocketing since the 1970’s. US health care prices are pretty much double what they are in every other country and those already have Universal Health Care that covers ALL their citizens. We already determined that all those countries are all commie countries therefore any attempt to fix or change our health care system would make us commie/socialists and it would destroy the very fabric of society if we attempted to fix anything, therefore we must continue paying twice what we should for the sake of Democracy and Patriotism.

But we are totally fine for socialism when it comes to paving our roads or making plane travel safer.

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:12 pm

You want to government to tell someone how much profit they are allowed to make by selling a product, though?

Is raising prices for something that you have a fixed customer that HAS to have it to live fit into this category or does it fit into some type of monopoly or collusion if other companies are working to do the same and set the market price? Are you saying that the cost of producing insulin has gone up that much over the last 100 yrs, therefore necessitating the price being charged in the US?

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:23 pm

But we are totally fine for socialism when it comes to paving our roads or making plane travel safer.

I guess we should go full on socialism because of paving roads and making plane travel safe.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:23 pm

But we are totally fine for socialism when it comes to paving our roads or making plane travel safer.

I guess we should go full on socialism because of paving roads and making plane travel safe.

Anything anyone proposes to fix health care on the left will be met with “SOCIALISM!” from the right. Ask the right for their health care plan and you get crickets for decades...

Every Democrat President for a long time has wanted to overhaul our health care system and is always shut down by the right. Obama was the first to actually succeed in changing things thanks to Bush filling the government with Dems. The Republicans fought against Obamacare from the start. Dems said they wanted Republican help on it. Republicans made a bunch of changes to Obamacare that the Dems added and still no Republican would vote for it. Republicans promised their own health care plan that never happened. Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something much better and much cheaper that covers all Americans. Unfortunately we never got to see that plan. About a year and a half ago Trump promised he was working on his plan and would announce it sometime after the next election...

That’s my dilemma. The Dems don’t have all the answers. The Republicans have NO answers.

If I was President of the US I would immediately make a commission to tackle our health care system. I would first find out what the rest of the planet is doing for health care. Why is France #1. What are all these other countries ranked way ahead of us in quality and paying half as much us doing that we aren’t? Find the best parts of all of them and come up with a plan to make that work in the US. Screw the fancy political labels. Find out what is working and what isn’t?

Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:44 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:23 pm

But we are totally fine for socialism when it comes to paving our roads or making plane travel safer.

I guess we should go full on socialism because of paving roads and making plane travel safe.

Anything anyone proposes to fix health care on the left will be met with “SOCIALISM!” from the right. Ask the right for their health care plan and you get crickets for decades...

Every Democrat President for a long time has wanted to overhaul our health care system and is always shut down by the right. Obama was the first to actually succeed in changing things thanks to Bush filling the government with Dems. The Republicans fought against Obamacare from the start. Dems said they wanted Republican help on it. Republicans made a bunch of changes to Obamacare that the Dems added and still no Republican would vote for it. Republicans promised their own health care plan that never happened. Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something much better and much cheaper that covers all Americans. Unfortunately we never got to see that plan. About a year and a half ago Trump promised he was working on his plan and would announce it sometime after the next election...

That’s my dilemma. The Dems don’t have all the answers. The Republicans have NO answers.

If I was President of the US I would immediately make a commission to tackle our health care system. I would first find out what the rest of the planet is doing for health care. Why is France #1. What are all these other countries ranked way ahead of us in quality and paying half as us doing that we aren’t? Find the best parts of all of them and come up with a plan to make that work in the US. Screw the fancy political labels. Find out what is working and what isn’t?

I admit, I would have probably been right there with them calling it Socialism. At the time, health care and my insurance, even though I wasn't being paid even close to what minimum wage is now, was affordable. Something happened over the yrs, to get higher and higher and higher, along with worse and worse and worse coverage, until it's come to the point that it's cheaper for me to not even have insurance for my family and paying out of pocket costs without their negotiated discounts, than the premiums and deductibles for them. A LOT cheaper. It feels like that was the point of it all. To get to a time where we would be clamoring for Socialistic medicine. My insurance was 10x times better 20 yrs ago, and if anyone else has a different view or experience, you are very lucky, imo.

This site has a lot of historical graphs
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/cha ... overtime_7

I just want our leaders to get together and come up with the best plan for us as a nation. I couldn’t care less if it’s all private sector or 99% Socialism like the UK. From my experience as an American I know that is impossible. All we will do is blame each other for another hundred years and do nothing.

Use the good, avoid the bad. Socialism in itself isn't bad. There are some good things. Social Security is socialism. You can't label our entire democracy as socialism if we pick and choose a few things that make America better.

Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:20 pm

This site has a lot of historical graphs
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/cha ... overtime_7

I just want our leaders to get together and come up with the best plan for us as a nation. I couldn’t care less if it’s all private sector or 99% Socialism like the UK. From my experience as an American I know that is impossible. All we will do is blame each other for another hundred years and do nothing.

Why would they? Their health care plan is amazing. Besides, they just come up with stuff that's best for them and what they can get out of the plan.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm

Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:44 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:23 pm

But we are totally fine for socialism when it comes to paving our roads or making plane travel safer.

I guess we should go full on socialism because of paving roads and making plane travel safe.

Anything anyone proposes to fix health care on the left will be met with “SOCIALISM!” from the right. Ask the right for their health care plan and you get crickets for decades...

Every Democrat President for a long time has wanted to overhaul our health care system and is always shut down by the right. Obama was the first to actually succeed in changing things thanks to Bush filling the government with Dems. The Republicans fought against Obamacare from the start. Dems said they wanted Republican help on it. Republicans made a bunch of changes to Obamacare that the Dems added and still no Republican would vote for it. Republicans promised their own health care plan that never happened. Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something much better and much cheaper that covers all Americans. Unfortunately we never got to see that plan. About a year and a half ago Trump promised he was working on his plan and would announce it sometime after the next election...

That’s my dilemma. The Dems don’t have all the answers. The Republicans have NO answers.

If I was President of the US I would immediately make a commission to tackle our health care system. I would first find out what the rest of the planet is doing for health care. Why is France #1. What are all these other countries ranked way ahead of us in quality and paying half as us doing that we aren’t? Find the best parts of all of them and come up with a plan to make that work in the US. Screw the fancy political labels. Find out what is working and what isn’t?

I admit, I would have probably been right there with them calling it Socialism. At the time, health care and my insurance, even though I wasn't being paid even close to what minimum wage is now, was affordable. Something happened over the yrs, to get higher and higher and higher, along with worse and worse and worse coverage, until it's come to the point that it's cheaper for me to not even have insurance for my family and paying out of pocket costs without their negotiated discounts, than the premiums and deductibles for them. A LOT cheaper. It feels like that was the point of it all. To get to a time where we would be clamoring for Socialistic medicine. My insurance was 10x times better 20 yrs ago, and if anyone else has a different view or experience, you are very lucky, imo.

Whose plan is this? Who would be benefiting from the US population clamoring for socialized medicine?

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:02 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm

Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:44 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:23 pm

But we are totally fine for socialism when it comes to paving our roads or making plane travel safer.

I guess we should go full on socialism because of paving roads and making plane travel safe.

Anything anyone proposes to fix health care on the left will be met with “SOCIALISM!” from the right. Ask the right for their health care plan and you get crickets for decades...

Every Democrat President for a long time has wanted to overhaul our health care system and is always shut down by the right. Obama was the first to actually succeed in changing things thanks to Bush filling the government with Dems. The Republicans fought against Obamacare from the start. Dems said they wanted Republican help on it. Republicans made a bunch of changes to Obamacare that the Dems added and still no Republican would vote for it. Republicans promised their own health care plan that never happened. Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something much better and much cheaper that covers all Americans. Unfortunately we never got to see that plan. About a year and a half ago Trump promised he was working on his plan and would announce it sometime after the next election...

That’s my dilemma. The Dems don’t have all the answers. The Republicans have NO answers.

If I was President of the US I would immediately make a commission to tackle our health care system. I would first find out what the rest of the planet is doing for health care. Why is France #1. What are all these other countries ranked way ahead of us in quality and paying half as us doing that we aren’t? Find the best parts of all of them and come up with a plan to make that work in the US. Screw the fancy political labels. Find out what is working and what isn’t?

I admit, I would have probably been right there with them calling it Socialism. At the time, health care and my insurance, even though I wasn't being paid even close to what minimum wage is now, was affordable. Something happened over the yrs, to get higher and higher and higher, along with worse and worse and worse coverage, until it's come to the point that it's cheaper for me to not even have insurance for my family and paying out of pocket costs without their negotiated discounts, than the premiums and deductibles for them. A LOT cheaper. It feels like that was the point of it all. To get to a time where we would be clamoring for Socialistic medicine. My insurance was 10x times better 20 yrs ago, and if anyone else has a different view or experience, you are very lucky, imo.

Whose plan is this? Who would be benefiting from the US population clamoring for socialized medicine?

You tell me Indy. I have no idea. I'm just saying it feels like that was the point. If I knew, I wouldn't say it feels like, and I would have put the blame on those at fault.

It would have to be the Dems plan. They are already known for being Socialists and let’s be honest, there never has been or ever will be a Republican health care plan.

I've commented to my boss that the Reps should hijack the health care platform and come out with something that really helps, but they are both dumb and corrupt. So they don't have incentive to make any meaningful changes that help people in this subject, and probably have much more incentive to screw them over instead.

If you look at who all the insurance companies pay, that will tell you who to pressure/vote out.

As someone that makes their living in the medical device world, I can tell you our prices have a negative growth rate every year. Sure a new product sells for a higher price than its predecessor, but overall our prices decline year over year.

The costs come from the drug companies and insurance companies. Every single dollar of profit by the healthcare insurance industry is money that would be taken out of your healthcare cost if it was not individual companies fighting over the dollars, but was instead the US government.

And I agree that the government would likely not do as good of a job being a profit center, so it would be more costly to run. But they also wouldn't be incentivized to reject all claims and not pay out.

it isn't a panacea, but it is better than what we have in the this country by a long shot.

This doesn't seem very cordial.

“I WILL DESTROY YOU”: BIDEN AIDE THREATENED A POLITICO REPORTER PURSUING A STORY ON HIS RELATIONSHIP
Deputy Press Secretary TJ Ducklo lashed out at journalist Tara Palmeri, spurring conversations between Politico’s brass and the White House—and raising questions about behavior tolerated in the Biden administration.
BY CALEB ECARMA

FEBRUARY 12, 2021
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02 ... lationship

A White House official tried to quash a story about his relationship with a reporter by issuing threats and using derogatory language to another reporter pursuing it, according to two sources familiar with the incident. In a sympathetic profile Monday, People revealed that White House Deputy Press Secretary TJ Ducklo is dating Axios political reporter Alexi McCammond, who covered the Joe Biden campaign. But behind the scenes, Ducklo had previously lashed out at Politico reporter Tara Palmeri, who was reporting the story, exhibiting behavior that led to tense meetings between the Washington news outlet’s editors and senior White House officials.

They should fire him.

Yeah, that kind of behavior from a press secretary is the kind of thing that belongs in a Trump administration, not a good one.

Well, after Biden said he would fire them on the spot, he was suspended for one week. I've heard that the argument is that he took pity on Ducklo, as he has cancer. I can't confirm that's the reason he was only suspended for 1 week.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:19 pm

Well, after Biden said he would fire them on the spot, he was suspended for one week. I've heard that the argument is that he took pity on Ducklo, as he has cancer. I can't confirm that's the reason he was only suspended for 1 week.

They may be still evaluating it; the story just broke today. I don't mind suspending somebody until the situation is fully understood, then potentially dismissing him once everything is known. After all, I've heard some folks don't like it when people get "canceled" preemptively. In this case the cancellation seems warranted, but it's still prudent to act deliberately and not hastily on sensitive matters.