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Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:29 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Mori Chu wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:17 am
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:52 am
Even Sarver’s admissions are telling. He says he didn’t know that it was inappropriate to pull down a guy’s pants in front of 60 employees, and that he had to be informed later that it was not appropriate behavior. I believe the dude is fully capable of incriminating himself if the investigators speak to him long enough, lol.
I think Sarver does himself a disservice by diving into rebutting or denying each individual accusation made in the article. If you're explaining all the details about why you pantsed some guy or why you talked about wanting to say the N-word or why you asked some guy about shaving his balls, you're already losing. I think you do better with a short general statement admitting that you made some mistakes or jokes or off-color comments and apologizing for them, and indicating that you didn't intend any racist or sexist behavior and want to promote a diverse and inclusive atmosphere in the organization. Something like that.
He did admit to and apologize for the depantsing incident. :lol:

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:16 pm
by ShelC
Not even sure what to make of this...i don't know if Jalen was giving an example of something he heard or if he was implying this because no extension was given but no one on the set even stopped to ask him to repeat what he said or clarify it. This isn't something anyone should just casually throw out there. If it's true and can be confirmed however, this is the kind of kind of thing that pushes Sarver out


Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:21 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I can't point to exactly when it became extreme, but Jalen Rose has been taking this hot-take bit too far for a while. I'm inclined to believe he made up that anecdote.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:41 pm
by Superbone
It's the first time I've heard it. He seemed to pull it out of nowhere.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
by JeremyG
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:06 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
I’m not following your logic. “Lazy” is the most important word in the sentence and Sarver’s supposed reason for not offering Ayton the max.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:13 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:06 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
I’m not following your logic. “Lazy” is the most important word in the sentence and Sarver’s supposed reason for not offering Ayton the max.
It just seems strange that Jalen would throw the word “lazy” out there, if he was making it up or if he was just speaking hypothetically. But I suppose if he was making it up then he had to add some adjective to it lol.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:31 am
by carey
I’m kind of annoyed that Sarver’s interview was with the Republic and is behind a paywall. Biggest Suns story in 20 years and I wager 99% of us can’t even read his reply.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:38 am
by Superbone
carey wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:31 am
I’m kind of annoyed that Sarver’s interview was with the Republic and is behind a paywall. Biggest Suns story in 20 years and I wager 99% of us can’t even read his reply.
Let me see what I can do...

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:45 am
by Superbone

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:06 pm
by Superbone
Reading more and more about this stuff, I'm going to reserve judgement until we hear the results of the NBA's investigation. But I'm still a strong believer of the adage "where there's smoke, there's fire."

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:21 pm
by AmareIsGod
Here's the Arizona Republic article (I'm a paid subscriber):
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Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:30 pm
by Gladiator
“Interview conducted by email” is a pretty soft way of doing this by Sarver. There’s no chance for the interviewer to ask logical follow-up questions and makes me think Sarver just wanted a chance to put a statement out in another form (with the appearance of being open/accountable).

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:33 pm
by Superbone
Gladiator wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:30 pm
“Interview conducted by email” is a pretty soft way of doing this by Sarver. There’s no chance for the interviewer to ask logical follow-up questions and makes me think Sarver just wanted a chance to put a statement out in another form (with the appearance of being open/accountable).
Yeah, and I'm sure he had a team of lawyers around him helping him craft his answers.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:59 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:13 pm
Superbone wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:06 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
I’m not following your logic. “Lazy” is the most important word in the sentence and Sarver’s supposed reason for not offering Ayton the max.
It just seems strange that Jalen would throw the word “lazy” out there, if he was making it up or if he was just speaking hypothetically. But I suppose if he was making it up then he had to add some adjective to it lol.
Well, maybe it's not made up. He's an insider. Certainly more than we are. I just personally haven't seen it published anywhere else. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:54 pm
by JeremyG
"That word isn’t in my vocabulary, and my family and friends who have known me for decades will confirm that I don’t use that kind of language, or any kind of racist language. I am devastated that someone would make that up as a way to hurt me and the Suns."

It's not just "someone." He is discrediting the fact that it was multiple sources accusing him of using that word, just because Earl was the only named source for that accusation:
Some told ESPN that he has used racially insensitive language repeatedly in the office.
At least a half-dozen Suns staffers recounted to ESPN instances of Sarver hearing a story from a Black player and then using the same language when retelling it, down to the usage of the N-word.

"You're like, 'Whoa! Robert, you can't do that,'" said one former basketball executive. Another former Suns head coach said such instances were commonplace. A Black basketball operations staffer told ESPN he has heard Sarver say the N-word multiple times.

Sarver once used the N-word when trying to explain to a staffer why he preferred hiring Lindsey Hunter over Dan Majerle as head coach in 2013, according to a high-level executive who heard the remark.
That is way more than just "someone." Sarver is lying.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:14 pm
by specialsauce
He’s got audio recording at his friends memorial talking about someone’s receptionist having small tits and lining up hookers. It’s literally on tape. How could he deny having this kind of stuff in his vocabulary.

Fuck him and get his penny pinching arrogant ass out of Phoenix.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:22 pm
by ShelC



Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:28 pm
by Superbone
Najafi making his play!

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:33 pm
by SunsRIt
Superbone wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:28 pm
Najafi making his play!
Great. We’re going to go from Sarver to a Kaepernick business partner and buddy.