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Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:29 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:17 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:52 am
Even Sarver’s admissions are telling. He says he didn’t know that it was inappropriate to pull down a guy’s pants in front of 60 employees, and that he had to be informed later that it was not appropriate behavior. I believe the dude is fully capable of incriminating himself if the investigators speak to him long enough, lol.
I think Sarver does himself a disservice by diving into rebutting or denying each individual accusation made in the article. If you're explaining all the details about why you pantsed some guy or why you talked about wanting to say the N-word or why you asked some guy about shaving his balls, you're already losing. I think you do better with a short general statement admitting that you made some mistakes or jokes or off-color comments and apologizing for them, and indicating that you didn't intend any racist or sexist behavior and want to promote a diverse and inclusive atmosphere in the organization. Something like that.
He did admit to and apologize for the depantsing incident.

Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:16 pm
by ShelC
Not even sure what to make of this...i don't know if Jalen was giving an example of something he heard or if he was implying this because no extension was given but no one on the set even stopped to ask him to repeat what he said or clarify it. This isn't something anyone should just casually throw out there. If it's true and can be confirmed however, this is the kind of kind of thing that pushes Sarver out
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:21 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I can't point to exactly when it became extreme, but Jalen Rose has been taking this hot-take bit too far for a while. I'm inclined to believe he made up that anecdote.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:41 pm
by Superbone
It's the first time I've heard it. He seemed to pull it out of nowhere.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
by JeremyG
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:06 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
I’m not following your logic. “Lazy” is the most important word in the sentence and Sarver’s supposed reason for not offering Ayton the max.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:13 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:06 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
I’m not following your logic. “Lazy” is the most important word in the sentence and Sarver’s supposed reason for not offering Ayton the max.
It just seems strange that Jalen would throw the word “lazy” out there, if he was making it up or if he was just speaking hypothetically. But I suppose if he was making it up then he had to add some adjective to it lol.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:31 am
by carey
I’m kind of annoyed that Sarver’s interview was with the Republic and is behind a paywall. Biggest Suns story in 20 years and I wager 99% of us can’t even read his reply.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:38 am
by Superbone
carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:31 am
I’m kind of annoyed that Sarver’s interview was with the Republic and is behind a paywall. Biggest Suns story in 20 years and I wager 99% of us can’t even read his reply.
Let me see what I can do...
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:45 am
by Superbone
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:06 pm
by Superbone
Reading more and more about this stuff, I'm going to reserve judgement until we hear the results of the NBA's investigation. But I'm still a strong believer of the adage "where there's smoke, there's fire."
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:21 pm
by AmareIsGod
Here's the Arizona Republic article (I'm a paid subscriber):
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Suns team owner Robert Sarver responds to Arizona Republic questions about allegations
Duane Rankin
Arizona Republic
Robert Sarver, majority owner of the Phoenix Suns and Phoenix Mercury franchises, was accused of multiple incidents of racist and sexist behavior in an ESPN story published on Thursday about his 17-year tenure with the teams.
The NBA announced later that day it would initiate an investigation into the claims.
After the report was published, Sarver issued a statement that read in part that he was "shocked by the false reporting" in the article and that he would "welcome an impartial NBA investigation."
In an exclusive interview with The Arizona Republic conducted via email, Sarver addressed the ESPN report, the upcoming NBA investigation, his alleged use of the N-word and sexually inappropriate comments, comparisons to former Los Angeles Clippers team owner Donald Sterling, who was forced to sell his franchise over similar allegations, and whether Sarver plans to take legal action against ESPN.
1. What is your overall reaction to the entire ESPN story? Upset? Angry?
"More than anything, I’m frustrated and sad. I’ve taken responsibility for mistakes I’ve made, but most of the claims from nameless 'sources' are false or too vague to even sensibly address. Those who have known me for decades know I don’t use the language attributed to me, and they have gone on record to say that the accusations of racism and sexism are false. It is just not who I am, and it is directly contrary to the values at the center of the Suns organization. I am devastated that these false attacks are what our fans will associate with this organization that I love.
"I don’t know how to prove I didn’t do something. Friends and colleagues, white and Black, who attest they’ve known me for 10 and 20 years and have never heard me use language like this or behave in a racist or sexist way are told their own experiences with me aren’t relevant. There was only one named source in the entire piece to stand behind these accusations, former coach Earl Watson. I understand that he is frustrated with me because we terminated him.
"Unfortunately, Mr. Watson created an unprofessional and toxic environment during his tenure. Our current general manager (James Jone) is on the record confirming that Mr. Watson behaved offensively and in a way that does not reflect our values. Because of this, when the Suns general manager at the time made the decision to terminate Mr. Watson, he had my full support. Mr. Watson clearly has an axe to grind, and he’s spreading baseless rumors to assassinate my character. How do you vindicate yourself in a situation like that?"
2. The NBA is launching an investigation. Are you afraid/worried you’re going to be forced to sell/lose the team. If so, why? If not, why not?
"It is almost impossible to prove a negative. That’s why we completely welcome the league’s investigation. My only wish is we could get to the bottom of this right now and dispel all of these lies that are being told about me and the Suns. But I understand that the investigation will take time. I’m confident we will be vindicated when all is said and done."
3. These allegations make you appear to be someone who not only uses the N-word, but is comfortable with doing so. Considering most of your team consists of mostly African-American players, has a Black GM and head coach, large minority fan base and a large majority population in support of the team and players, what is your message to the fan base regarding all of this?
"Let me be perfectly clear: I have never called anyone or any group of people the N-word, or referred to anyone or any group of people by the N-word. Any accusation that I have is 100 percent false. That word isn’t in my vocabulary, and my family and friends who have known me for decades will confirm that I don’t use that kind of language, or any kind of racist language. I am devastated that someone would make that up as a way to hurt me and the Suns. I am proud that the Suns have been at the forefront of many social justice and civil rights causes during my tenure, and I have tried do everything I can to fight against racism and advocate for this community."
4. This situation is drawing comparisons to Donald Sterling. Fair or unfair and why or why not?
"It’s hard to even dignify those comparisons with a response. There is no comparison at all. I have a 40-year-long track record of advocating for inclusion in hiring and promoting minorities and women, and I have devoted my time and resources to fighting for equality and supporting underserved communities. I’m proud of the Suns organization’s record on these issues. Up until this ESPN story, there has never been any claim or mention of me being racist or sexist. It’s just not who I am. My long-time business partners, co-workers, friends, and family will tell you the same."
5. Have you spoken to the Suns and Mercury players, coaches and staff and what has been your message to them in regards to the allegations?
"I have spoken to some members of both teams. They know this is not who I am. I’m sorry that they have to deal with the blowback from the false reporting. I’ve been overwhelmed with how many people, including former and current players and coaches, have reached out — publicly and privately — to offer encouraging words of support."
6. Are you planning to sue ESPN?
"I’m currently evaluating my options, and I have retained defamation counsel. I have not ruled out any course of action. My immediate concern is cooperating with the NBA’s investigation, which I am confident will clear my name and the Suns organization."
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:30 pm
by Gladiator
“Interview conducted by email” is a pretty soft way of doing this by Sarver. There’s no chance for the interviewer to ask logical follow-up questions and makes me think Sarver just wanted a chance to put a statement out in another form (with the appearance of being open/accountable).
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:33 pm
by Superbone
Gladiator wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:30 pm
“Interview conducted by email” is a pretty soft way of doing this by Sarver. There’s no chance for the interviewer to ask logical follow-up questions and makes me think Sarver just wanted a chance to put a statement out in another form (with the appearance of being open/accountable).
Yeah, and I'm sure he had a team of lawyers around him helping him craft his answers.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:59 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:13 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:06 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:53 pm
Why would he put the word “lazy” on it if he was just making it up? Sounds like he didn’t realize or forgot that it was left out of the final version of the story. Sort of like the disparaging remark Sarver made about a female owner that Jordan Schultz referred to that was left out of the published story.
I’m not following your logic. “Lazy” is the most important word in the sentence and Sarver’s supposed reason for not offering Ayton the max.
It just seems strange that Jalen would throw the word “lazy” out there, if he was making it up or if he was just speaking hypothetically. But I suppose if he was making it up then he had to add some adjective to it lol.
Well, maybe it's not made up. He's an insider. Certainly more than we are. I just personally haven't seen it published anywhere else. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:54 pm
by JeremyG
"That word isn’t in my vocabulary, and my family and friends who have known me for decades will confirm that I don’t use that kind of language, or any kind of racist language. I am devastated that
someone would make that up as a way to hurt me and the Suns."
It's not just "someone." He is discrediting the fact that it was multiple sources accusing him of using that word, just because Earl was the only named source for that accusation:
Some told ESPN that he has used racially insensitive language repeatedly in the office.
At least a half-dozen Suns staffers recounted to ESPN instances of Sarver hearing a story from a Black player and then using the same language when retelling it, down to the usage of the N-word.
"You're like, 'Whoa! Robert, you can't do that,'" said one former basketball executive. Another former Suns head coach said such instances were commonplace. A Black basketball operations staffer told ESPN he has heard Sarver say the N-word multiple times.
Sarver once used the N-word when trying to explain to a staffer why he preferred hiring Lindsey Hunter over Dan Majerle as head coach in 2013, according to a high-level executive who heard the remark.
That is way more than just "someone." Sarver is lying.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:14 pm
by specialsauce
He’s got audio recording at his friends memorial talking about someone’s receptionist having small tits and lining up hookers. It’s literally on tape. How could he deny having this kind of stuff in his vocabulary.
Fuck him and get his penny pinching arrogant ass out of Phoenix.
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:22 pm
by ShelC
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:28 pm
by Superbone
Najafi making his play!
Re: Allegations of racism and misogyny within the Phoenix Suns: Inside Robert Sarver's 17-year tenure as owner
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:33 pm
by SunsRIt
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:28 pm
Najafi making his play!
Great. We’re going to go from Sarver to a Kaepernick business partner and buddy.