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Well your problem is expecting people to agree with you then. Grind your axe all you want I guess

I agree with him. As far as the present and recent past anyway. Booker was not always a problem, but he definitely is now.

He became too arrogant, too unbothered, and started declining instead of progressing as a superstar. In fact, the start of the entire downward trajectory of Booker and the team could perhaps almost be pinned down to a single moment: May 10, 2022—during the latter part of game 5 of the second round series against Dallas, when Booker and the rest of the team were arrogantly clowning Luka and the Mavs as we went up 3-2. Remember “the Luka special”? It’s all been downhill ever since.

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

Split T wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:02 pm

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

He's just an easy target because we know KD is on the way out.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 8:14 pm

I agree with him. As far as the present and recent past anyway. Booker was not always a problem, but he definitely is now.

He became too arrogant, too unbothered, and started declining instead of progressing as a superstar. In fact, the start of the entire downward trajectory of Booker and the team could perhaps almost be pinned down to a single moment: May 10, 2022—during the latter part of game 5 of the second round series against Dallas, when Booker and the rest of the team were arrogantly clowning Luka and the Mavs as we went up 3-2. Remember “the Luka special”? It’s all been downhill ever since.

yes, Luka got inside Book's head and the whole team had a meltdown of chemistry and motivation. Particularly odd since Monty was a player's coach. But, here we are again. Another mysterious chemistry and motivation issue despite replacing 2 coaches and every other player but 1.

All of this is moot since our owner has already said he’s not trading him…. We need to rebuild and it’s time to cash in on Book while we still can. Watching him go for 40 on a sub .500 team the next few years does nothing for us, so why pay that huge salary for him?

Split T wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:02 pm

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

my recollection of the last playoffs was us being swept 4 games in the first round with Booker only showing up for the last game and shooting 27% from 3 despite the highest paid team in NBA history being built around him

1tinsoldier wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 6:08 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:02 pm

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

my recollection of the last playoffs was us being swept 4 games in the first round with Booker only showing up for the last game and shooting 27% from 3 despite the highest paid team in NBA history being built around him

Well we are talking about the year before here.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 5:56 pm

All of this is moot since our owner has already said he’s not trading him…. We need to rebuild and it’s time to cash in on Book while we still can. Watching him go for 40 on a sub .500 team the next few years does nothing for us, so why pay that huge salary for him?

you called it. 40. Yet another loss on a big offensive night.
and sub .500 by 8 games now.

again, it may just be my bias clouding my recall, but i'm thinking there have been relatively few games we've won all season when Booker has a big offensive night.

3-1 before tonight when Booker scored 40

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 5:56 pm

All of this is moot since our owner has already said he’s not trading him…. We need to rebuild and it’s time to cash in on Book while we still can. Watching him go for 40 on a sub .500 team the next few years does nothing for us, so why pay that huge salary for him?

regarding Ishbia saying he's not trading him...I'm praying it's just posturing for a better return. But i doubt it.

1tinsoldier hatred of Booker=JeremyG love of Ayton

There's only one way to truly make both 1tinsoldier and JeremyG happy: the Suns need to trade Devin Booker for Deandre Ayton.

1tinsoldier wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 6:36 pm

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 5:56 pm

All of this is moot since our owner has already said he’s not trading him…. We need to rebuild and it’s time to cash in on Book while we still can. Watching him go for 40 on a sub .500 team the next few years does nothing for us, so why pay that huge salary for him?

regarding Ishbia saying he's not trading him...I'm praying it's just posturing for a better return. But i doubt it.

Then let it go.

Split T wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:02 pm

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

And what did he do in game 6, the most important game?

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 8:09 pm

There's only one way to truly make both 1tinsoldier and JeremyG happy: the Suns need to trade Devin Booker for Deandre Ayton.

Booker for Ayton, Camara, and a bunch of picks, and I would be happy.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:00 pm

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 8:09 pm

There's only one way to truly make both 1tinsoldier and JeremyG happy: the Suns need to trade Devin Booker for Deandre Ayton.

Booker for Ayton, Camara, and a bunch of picks, and I would be happy.

Ayton sucks though. *shrugs*

Do you really trust Ishbia to get a good return in a trade of both KD and Booker, you can add Beal, Allen and O'Neale to the list of the trade candidates this summer.

Past history says he does not have a clue.

That is if you liked the trades for KD, Beal, Nurkic, Allen and O'Neale. We had a young team that was fun to watch with all it's draft choices and a need for a PF and a legit point guard and PF. We might have been able to get those positions via the draft or trade. We actually had a coach I liked that won a team record 64 games and took us to the finals.

We are now left with Booker and probably with Bud without any draft picks. What a fuck story.

At least during the Sarve years we had the draft to look forward to.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 10:58 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:02 pm

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

And what did he do in game 6, the most important game?

Irrelevant. You said his downward trend started a full year before. Are you changing to it starting in game 6 of 2023 now? He also made all-nba the next season, so remember that in your calculations.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:40 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 06, 2025 10:58 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:02 pm

Booker in the following playoffs:

34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 block per game.

Shot 59/51/87…a 69% TS…but ya he started his trajectory downward before that.

And what did he do in game 6, the most important game?

Irrelevant. You said his downward trend started a full year before. Are you changing to it starting in game 6 of 2023 now? He also made all-nba the next season, so remember that in your calculations.

I said the “downward trajectory of Booker and the team”—the two go hand-in-hand. It’s irrelevant that he made All-NBA if the team was going downhill.