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Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:09 pm
by JeremyG
I would never want Tony Parker on the Suns, just because he’s Tony Parker lol.
I have no problem giving Knight one more year to prove whether he can be a good starting PG in this league. If not, then you can either trade his expiring contract next summer or stretch/waive him, which will create more cap space to upgrade at the PG position. I would go after someone like Ricky Rubio, with perhaps Okobo being able to take over eventually.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:09 pm
by Split T
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:53 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:50 pm
As for the mentor issues...I don't think the young guys need to be an exact replica of ariza for him to mentor them...and it turns out we do have a guy that's a pretty good replica in Bridges.
I agree that Bridges is the best match for Ariza in terms of overall skillset. My best case scenario for Ariza's year here is that he rubs off a bit on the young guys, shows them how to work hard, hustle to get open for a shot, play stifling defense, leading quietly by example. Maybe helps with the overall vibe in the locker room and effort level. I just really don't want to see young guys ride the bench while a guy who likely doesn't have a long-term future here takes all the PF minutes.
I think it might be good for the young guys to earn their minutes. Chriss and Bender had gauranteed minutes last year, regardless how they played. Now they have to play well to stay on the court...that's not a bad thing. If they're not good enough to warrant minutes, then good riddance, we can move on.
Re: RE: Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:13 pm
by carey
Split T wrote:
I think it might be good for the young guys to earn their minutes. Chriss and Bender had gauranteed minutes last year, regardless how they played. Now they have to play well to stay on the court...that's not a bad thing. If they're not good enough to warrant minutes, then good riddance, we can move on.
This is kind of where I'm at, Split. As much as I have enjoyed Bender Island I may be converting it to a timeshare soon.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:19 pm
by Shabazz
Parker is waaaaaaaaaaaaaashed. Charlotte paid him $5M and should play Devonte Graham over him.
Re: RE: Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:52 pm
by Superbone
carey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:13 pm
Split T wrote:
I think it might be good for the young guys to earn their minutes. Chriss and Bender had gauranteed minutes last year, regardless how they played. Now they have to play well to stay on the court...that's not a bad thing. If they're not good enough to warrant minutes, then good riddance, we can move on.
This is kind of where I'm at, Split. As much as I have enjoyed Bender Island I may be converting it to a timeshare soon.
Yup, time to win. Booker deserves a better shot at it. Chriss and Bender got minutes they didn't deserve. I like the idea of guys toiling on the bench and working on their game in practice and getting spot minutes for now and then real minutes when they deserve them.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am
by Ring_Wanted
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm
I'd have given the 15mil to Tony Parker, easily.
Gross
Tony Parker on the Suns. Pffff. 100% done. Would be worse than Mario Elie.
Anyway, about Ariza: over/under on his per36 stats this season. 11ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 35% 3pt, 1.5 stocks.
I am going to say under.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:09 am
by Indy
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm
I'd have given the 15mil to Tony Parker, easily.
Gross
Tony Parker on the Suns. Pffff. 100% done. Would be worse than Mario Elie.
Anyway, about Ariza: over/under on his per36 stats this season. 11ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 35% 3pt,
1.5 stocks.
I am going to say under.
is he going to be a day trader before games?
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:14 am
by UglyTruth
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:09 am
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm
I'd have given the 15mil to Tony Parker, easily.
Gross
Tony Parker on the Suns. Pffff. 100% done. Would be worse than M***o E**e.
Anyway, about Ariza: over/under on his per36 stats this season. 11ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 35% 3pt,
1.5 stocks.
I am going to say under.
is he going to be a day trader before games?
Stocks is a fantasy basketball term for steals/blocks.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:15 am
by UglyTruth
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:09 pm
I would never want Tony Parker on the Suns, just because he’s Tony Parker lol.
How many Laker fans do you think have once said this about LeBron?
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:11 am
by Indy
UglyTruth wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:14 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:09 am
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm
I'd have given the 15mil to Tony Parker, easily.
Gross
Tony Parker on the Suns. Pffff. 100% done. Would be worse than M***o E**e.
Anyway, about Ariza: over/under on his per36 stats this season. 11ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 35% 3pt,
1.5 stocks.
I am going to say under.
is he going to be a day trader before games?
Stocks is a fantasy basketball term for steals/blocks.
Thanks. The last time I played fantasy basketball was 2001. I am old.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:09 am
by Split T
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm
I'd have given the 15mil to Tony Parker, easily.
Gross
Tony Parker on the Suns. Pffff. 100% done. Would be worse than M***o E**e.
Anyway, about Ariza: over/under on his per36 stats this season. 11ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 35% 3pt, 1.5 stocks.
I am going to say under.
Per36? I'll take over...
For reference, the last time he was under 11 points per 36 was 2005. He's never had less than 1.5 steals per 36 or less than 4 rebounds per 36. Last year was the first year since 2006 he had less than 2 assists per 36.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm
by Ring_Wanted
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:09 am
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm
I'd have given the 15mil to Tony Parker, easily.
Gross
Tony Parker on the Suns. Pffff. 100% done. Would be worse than M***o E**e.
Anyway, about Ariza: over/under on his per36 stats this season. 11ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 35% 3pt, 1.5 stocks.
I am going to say under.
Per36? I'll take over...
For reference, the last time he was under 11 points per 36 was 2005. He's never had less than 1.5 steals per 36 or less than 4 rebounds per 36. Last year was the first year since 2006 he had less than 2 assists per 36.
Solid logic. I am aware he's been better than those numbers, but I am also operating under the premise that his role and playing time will change from what he is used to over the last five years of his career. He will have to adapt. And there is a logjam. In terms of expectations, I want to be ready if he doesn't play up to his averages, but obviously I want him to play as better as possible for the Suns.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:46 pm
by Split T
Ya, I think his minutes will be down, but if it's per36, that shouldnt change his numbers. A lot depends on his role in the offense though, like you said. There's probably a good chance he doesn't get the assists, but rebounds and stocks seem pretty solid locks to me. Points and 3pt% are toss ups and probably go together. If he hits 3's at a high clip, he'll put up points.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:49 pm
by Mori Chu
If you're trying to forecast how many 3s Trevor Ariza is going to hit, you need to think about the players around him. Part of why Ariza got so many good looks in Houston is because he had two excellent guards on the floor running the offense in Chris Paul and James Harden. The Suns don't have a single player on the roster who is good at distributing the ball or running an offense. I don't think Ariza is going to get nearly as many good looks from 3 this year as he got in the past, so I suspect his percentage and efficiency will go way down.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:53 pm
by ShelC
Does Ariza even finish the season with us?
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:09 pm
by Split T
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:49 pm
If you're trying to forecast how many 3s Trevor Ariza is going to hit, you need to think about the players around him. Part of why Ariza got so many good looks in Houston is because he had two excellent guards on the floor running the offense in Chris Paul and James Harden. The Suns don't have a single player on the roster who is good at distributing the ball or running an offense. I don't think Ariza is going to get nearly as many good looks from 3 this year as he got in the past, so I suspect his percentage and efficiency will go way down.
It's not like he had a career year last year shooting 3's. Harden and CP3 help, but Booker/Ayton will draw a lot of attention. And it's not like hitting an open teammate in the corner or swinging it around the perimeter is a difficult play. You don't need to be Steve Nash to do it. Knight, Booker, Jackson, Bender, etc. will all be perfectly capable passing him the ball. Ayton also showed good ability to find people around the arc in summer league.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:11 pm
by Split T
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:53 pm
Does Ariza even finish the season with us?
He won't be an easy contract to trade. We'd need essentially an equally large expiring contract coming back.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:25 pm
by TOO
Doesnt make a lot of sense to trade Ariza and his big ol expiring deal. I mean why sign him in the first place? He knows what he is getting into, thats why he got so much money to begin with.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:26 pm
by UglyTruth
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:49 pm
If you're trying to forecast how many 3s Trevor Ariza is going to hit, you need to think about the players around him. Part of why Ariza got so many good looks in Houston is because he had two excellent guards on the floor running the offense in Chris Paul and James Harden. The Suns don't have a single player on the roster who is good at distributing the ball or running an offense. I don't think Ariza is going to get nearly as many good looks from 3 this year as he got in the past, so I suspect his percentage and efficiency will go way down.
Ariza is a player that has been very fortunate in terms of playing with playmakers...he’s played with the likes of Kyle Lowry, Chris Paul (in New Orleans too), John Wall, and James Harden to name a few.
Going from
that to Brandon Knight must be quite terrifying for him.
Re: Suns Trade Dudley; Acquire Richaun Holmes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:34 pm
by UglyTruth
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:53 pm
Does Ariza even finish the season with us?
Yes.