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ShelC wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 3:57 pm

A bigger question for me is how the FO/coaching staff views the center position. Jones didn't win in Miami or Cleveland with a dominant center (granted he had LeBron, Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, etc) so maybe he doesn't put much of a premium on a top level big. Or maybe he sees the way the league has been trending and doesn't think a classic low post big is absolutely necessary to success.

In that case, does Jones and/or Monty think they can downgrade a bit from DA or simply platoon with a few different bigs (JaVale, Biz, Saric, etc) and get more talented at other positions like PF or bench roles?

Indy wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 4:04 pm

ShelC wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 3:57 pm

A bigger question for me is how the FO/coaching staff views the center position. Jones didn't win in Miami or Cleveland with a dominant center (granted he had LeBron, Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, etc) so maybe he doesn't put much of a premium on a top level big. Or maybe he sees the way the league has been trending and doesn't think a classic low post big is absolutely necessary to success.

In that case, does Jones and/or Monty think they can downgrade a bit from DA or simply platoon with a few different bigs (JaVale, Biz, Saric, etc) and get more talented at other positions like PF or bench roles?

The Pels played without a "center" for about 40% of the series and did pretty well against us. Dallas beat us and played Powell (who is really at C-PF, not even a C) for a total of 94 minutes across 7 games.

The Clippers last year played with no center for about 50% of the minutes against us last year and did well.

The Nuggets played a real center against us for over 40 minutes a game, with nearly all of those minutes coming from the MVP, and got swept.

Indy wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 4:04 pm

ShelC wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 3:57 pm

A bigger question for me is how the FO/coaching staff views the center position. Jones didn't win in Miami or Cleveland with a dominant center (granted he had LeBron, Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, etc) so maybe he doesn't put much of a premium on a top level big. Or maybe he sees the way the league has been trending and doesn't think a classic low post big is absolutely necessary to success.

In that case, does Jones and/or Monty think they can downgrade a bit from DA or simply platoon with a few different bigs (JaVale, Biz, Saric, etc) and get more talented at other positions like PF or bench roles?

The Pels played without a "center" for about 40% of the series and did pretty well against us. Dallas beat us and played Powell (who is really at C-PF, not even a C) for a total of 94 minutes across 7 games.

The Clippers last year played with no center for about 50% of the minutes against us last year and did well.

The Nuggets played a real center against us for over 40 minutes a game, with nearly all of those minutes coming from the MVP, and got swept.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 4:16 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 4:04 pm

ShelC wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 3:57 pm

A bigger question for me is how the FO/coaching staff views the center position. Jones didn't win in Miami or Cleveland with a dominant center (granted he had LeBron, Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, etc) so maybe he doesn't put much of a premium on a top level big. Or maybe he sees the way the league has been trending and doesn't think a classic low post big is absolutely necessary to success.

In that case, does Jones and/or Monty think they can downgrade a bit from DA or simply platoon with a few different bigs (JaVale, Biz, Saric, etc) and get more talented at other positions like PF or bench roles?

The Pels played without a "center" for about 40% of the series and did pretty well against us. Dallas beat us and played Powell (who is really at C-PF, not even a C) for a total of 94 minutes across 7 games.

The Clippers last year played with no center for about 50% of the minutes against us last year and did well.

The Nuggets played a real center against us for over 40 minutes a game, with nearly all of those minutes coming from the MVP, and got swept.

But look what happened in the matchup against Milwaukee last year when the Suns didn't have enough size.

They're not going to be a serious contender with Biyombo and Sarić playing center. I like them as players, but if you take Ayton out of this team's defense and it isn't going to scare anybody.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 3:19 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 2:57 pm

Okay okay,

Let’s sign and trade DA to Chicago for a sign and traded Lavine.

As part of a separate yet connected trade, we’ll give Chicago Cam J and Cam Payne in return for Colby White.

So in the end we’re trading DA/CamJ/CamP for Lavine/White

CP3/Book/Lavine/Bridges/???

Alternatively, we could ship DA to Det for Grant and their pick. Flip the pick with our own, + Cam J + Craig + Shamet for John Collins.

CP3/Book/Bridges/Grant/Collins

Coby White isn't that good, which is supported by you thinking he was named after a cheese.

I've also thought about a LaVine trade. His knees worry me, but I'd rather have him than many other "star" players like Jerami Grant.

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:47 pm

This is a very interesting hire to me

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 6:03 pm

LaVine would be a phenomenal #2 next to Luka

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 6:14 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:47 pm

This is a very interesting hire to me

I think it's a great hire considering the other guys they interviewed. He seems to be similar to Udoka as a guy who's universally respected, but I'm curious about his tactics. Not that it matters a ton when you have LeBron, but they still need help on that part of their staff.

Indy wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 6:21 pm

The best business decision is probably for him to go to whomever is giving him his max and has a big market. He already has some good endorsement deals, so he probably needs a big market to keep them when it is time to re-up.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:00 pm

"Championship pedigree" = 0.7 PPG in the playoffs on the Detroit championship team in 2004 and assistant coach for Milwaukee's championship team last year.

The definition of riding the bus, not driving it.

He may very well have head coaching ability, but he's being thrown into a viper's nest.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:07 pm

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:00 pm

"Championship pedigree" = 0.7 PPG in the playoffs on the Detroit championship team in 2004 and assistant coach for Milwaukee's championship team last year.

The definition of riding the bus, not driving it.

He may very well have head coaching ability, but he's being thrown into a viper's nest.

He won a ring while on the Bucks staff last season. He also started his coaching career with the Lakers.