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specialsauce wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:33 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:29 pm

Roddy is better than Ish.

You must be thinking of Wainright

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:56 pm

Who’s better, Ish Smith or Delon Wright?

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:41 am

Anyone who complains about the moves the Suns make is a fake fan. We've waited decades for someone to be as financially committed as Mat Ishbia.

If someone wants to say he spent his money unwisely, OK. Tell us your bank balance.

I'm content with knowing that the result won't be a championship if that's where we end up, but I'm elated that someone gives a fuck enough to go for it.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:41 am

Anyone who complains about the moves the Suns make is a fake fan. We've waited decades for someone to be as financially committed as Mat Ishbia.

If someone wants to say he spent his money unwisely, OK. Tell us your bank balance.

I'm content with knowing that the result won't be a championship if that's where we end up, but I'm elated that someone gives a fuck enough to go for it.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:55 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:41 am

Anyone who complains about the moves the Suns make is a fake fan. We've waited decades for someone to be as financially committed as Mat Ishbia.

If someone wants to say he spent his money unwisely, OK. Tell us your bank balance.

I'm content with knowing that the result won't be a championship if that's where we end up, but I'm elated that someone gives a fuck enough to go for it.

Totally agree... At least we have an owner who's investing in the team, the fans and the legacy of the franchise.

Funny enough I was thinking someone would be putting together a first year report card poll/thread for Ishbia.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:19 pm

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:55 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:41 am

Anyone who complains about the moves the Suns make is a fake fan. We've waited decades for someone to be as financially committed as Mat Ishbia.

If someone wants to say he spent his money unwisely, OK. Tell us your bank balance.

I'm content with knowing that the result won't be a championship if that's where we end up, but I'm elated that someone gives a fuck enough to go for it.

Totally agree... At least we have an owner who's investing in the team, the fans and the legacy of the franchise.

Funny enough I was thinking someone would be putting together a first year report card poll/thread for Ishbia.

They did a piece on his first year with the Suns on the broadcast last night. I had a huge smile on my face through it. It was amazing what he's done in one year. What a turnaround from the last guy. He swung for the fences with Durant. He swung the Bradley Beal deal. He started a new state of the art training facility for the Mercury. He reimagined the Ring of Honor and restored camaraderie with our legends of the past. He's even going all in on the Mercury trading for 2021 WNBA Finals MVP Kahleah Copper. Oh, yeah, and the whole free TV deal for the Valley. I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff. He's been an amazing owner and a huge turnaround for Valley basketball.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:25 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:41 am

Anyone who complains about the moves the Suns make is a fake fan. We've waited decades for someone to be as financially committed as Mat Ishbia.

If someone wants to say he spent his money unwisely, OK. Tell us your bank balance.

I'm content with knowing that the result won't be a championship if that's where we end up, but I'm elated that someone gives a fuck enough to go for it.

I think this kind of phrasing misstates the argument made by the folks who want more cautious spending. I don't think anybody here gives a flying fart what Ishbia's bank balance is, or how much money he makes / loses on his Suns investment. To me it's about two things:

1) Asset management. If we go "all in" by trading away a decade's worth of draft picks, and blowing out the cap / tax apron so much that we have a $60m luxury payment every year, it makes it harder for us to have sustained long-term success. We won't have any picks to improve the team once our stars age out, and we won't have assets to use in trades to make necessary improvements.

2) Long-term solvency. Ishbia is a wealthy guy, but he can't just eat a $60m luxury tax penalty every year for the rest of his life. At that rate he'll end up eventually running out of money and needing to sell the team, or, swing hard in the other direction and become a cheapskate owner. If his means are finite, I'd rather he be a bit more prudent now so that he can be solvent enough to own the team for a long time. I like Ishbia as owner and want him here for a long time. I don't want the Suns sold to another Sarver, or some group from outside AZ that tries to move the team.

Having said all that, I am -not- arguing against any of the particular moves we have made recently. I think it's great that we brought in Royce O'Neale. I'm just trying to state the argument as best I understand it.