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Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 3:16 pm
by Gladiator
Jones: I think we have more than enough (options) to build around the margins (to get better).
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 3:22 pm
by TOO
Setting the scene for running it back while trying to fix the margins probably using whatever draft picks they can trade.
Welp.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 3:39 pm
by Gladiator
TOO wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:22 pm
Setting the scene for running it back while trying to fix the margins probably using whatever draft picks they can trade.
Welp.
100% that was my impression
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 3:47 pm
by Shabazz
I’ve only seen his responses and not the whole presser but Ishbia doesn’t seem to understand that it’s not that we’re disappointed that the Suns didn’t win a title, it’s how we didn’t win the title.
This team was listless, disjointed, inconsistent, showed no grit, had bad vibes, played an outdated offensive style and addressed none of their game 2 issues by game 82. And then they went out with an appropriate whimper.
This isn’t the scenario where a group of warriors just came up short and their close loss will be the fuel that galvanizes them and finally brings home a title. This is the “insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results” scenario.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 4:17 pm
by TOO
Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:47 pm
I’ve only seen his responses and not the whole presser but Ishbia doesn’t seem to understand that it’s not that we’re disappointed that the Suns didn’t win a title, it’s
how we didn’t win the title.
This team was listless, disjointed, inconsistent, showed no grit, had bad vibes, played an outdated offensive style and addressed none of their game 2 issues by game 82. And then they went out with an appropriate whimper.
This isn’t the scenario where a group of warriors just came up short and their close loss will be the fuel that galvanizes them and finally brings home a title. This is the “insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results” scenario.
Prepare to go insane.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 4:27 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Sounds like that 2 year project I thought I read somewhere is valid. Ishbia's painted himself into that corner in a lot of ways, but I'm not surprised by his comments today.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 4:35 pm
by 3TheHardaway
If we trot out a starting lineup with 3 shooting guards 6'5" and under again, none of whom who can handle physical defensive assignment, with KD at the 4, we will have learned nothing. There's no way they could have watched this team for 86 games and felt that the only missing ingredient was continuity. Much like Frank Vogel talking up DA, I'm want to believe this is also just diplomacy to not tip their hand at their plans.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 4:57 pm
by Split T
I’m not surprised in the least by any of this. We clearly were just going to run it back…no other real options
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 5:01 pm
by Drewsprocket
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:27 pm
Sounds like that 2 year project I thought I read somewhere is valid. Ishbia's painted himself into that corner in a lot of ways, but I'm not surprised by his comments today.
100%. No need to catastrophize. Barring any major injury, Suns are sitting on at least 3 players worth draft capital and youth (KD, Book, and Allen). Ishbia and Co. went out and spent a lot of $ and resources on this roster. It follows to see it through. I don’t want to watch the offense underperform either as it did this year but I’m curious to see if it will improve greatly in year 2.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:01 pm
by JeremyG
Gladiator wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:44 pm
Listening to ishbia’s media conference now: “we’re in a great position now, we’ll be in a great position next year. Championship or bust, this wasn’t bust.”
Then what was it? Because it certainly wasn’t a championship!
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:16 pm
by ShelC
The presser was kind of a joke. Ishbia got up there to tell everyone he had nothing to say about the team, Jones didn't exactly inspire confidence with some of his views. I think the team is better than it showed this year and I think they believe that too. I don't know how you bring back Vogel expecting anything to change and even if everything were to "click", is this a championship core?
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:25 pm
by TOO
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:16 pm
The presser was kind of a joke. Ishbia got up there to tell everyone he had nothing to say about the team, Jones didn't exactly inspire confidence with some of his views. I think the team is better than it showed this year and I think they believe that too. I don't know how you bring back Vogel expecting anything to change and even if everything were to "click", is this a championship core?
I do not feel confident in this off-season.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:42 pm
by Mori Chu
The thing I keep coming back to is, this past offseason everybody thought we were going to be a dominant superteam, so a bunch of FAs came to us on minimum contracts. You can criticize the way a lot of them played, but fact is we nabbed several guys at the minimum who came hoping for a shot at a title. Then we had too many guys, didn't play several of them, traded several others, etc. and ultimately lost horribly in a first round sweep. This offseason, guys aren't going to sign here cheap expecting a title run. We're going to fill out the roster with worse guys. Guys chasing a ring for the minimum are going to sign with teams like Boston, Denver, or OKC.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:50 pm
by Mori Chu
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:56 pm
by Split T
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:42 pm
The thing I keep coming back to is, this past offseason everybody thought we were going to be a dominant superteam, so a bunch of FAs came to us on minimum contracts. You can criticize the way a lot of them played, but fact is we nabbed several guys at the minimum who came hoping for a shot at a title. Then we had too many guys, didn't play several of them, traded several others, etc. and ultimately lost horribly in a first round sweep. This offseason, guys aren't going to sign here cheap expecting a title run. We're going to fill out the roster with worse guys. Guys chasing a ring for the minimum are going to sign with teams like Boston, Denver, or OKC.
I think EG is the only title chasing signee we got
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:47 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
The fact that they're keeping Vogel in the chair is an embarrassment. How much chaos, confusion, inconsistency, inability to adapt does an owner have to see to understand...THE COACH IS A PROBLEM? This is a The Emperor is FRIGGING NAKED moment!!! Ishiba, if you're reading the boards, YOU ARE AN IDIOT! You have to know when its time to cut bait...guess when that is??? NOW!!! Vogel SUCKS and has LOST this team!!!!
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:08 pm
by Shabazz
So much of what Jones says in media appearances is nonsense.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:16 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
He's always been like that. It's very Clutch Sports.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 10:07 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:33 am
It’s all just for fun anyways, I don’t think we are trading any of Book, KD, and Beal
Speak for yourself.
Re: 2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 10:09 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:46 am
I just don’t share the same defensive concerns as you. We were 13th in defense this year. The defense wasn’t the problem against Minny…the offense sucked and when we started to slip we let go of the rope and let Minny go crazy.
LeBron plays defense in the playoffs. The Lakers held the nuggets to well below their regular season offensive efficiency. I can’t believe I’m having to argue why LeBron James at the vet min would be good for this team.
The defense wasn't a problem against Minny?! Are you freakin' kidding me?! They scored
every time down the court.