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Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:36 am

Ya I strongly disagree with the bad locker room presence comment as well. His attitude is exactly what we need. There’s no one on the team who will call out KD/Book right now and KD/Book aren’t the types to call out their teammates either. Jimmy is. This isn’t a situation where we have a bunch of Ayton’s that will get all mopey if we get on them…I think our guys will respond. They just need someone on them when they slack off for a bit. CP3 didn’t allow it and Jimmy won’t either.

I generally agree with the sentiment, which is the main reason I support trading for Butler. However, there is a fine line between being a leader and being a dick. Jimmy has a history of crossing that line. He could be great for the Suns, or he could be a dumpster fire. I think it's the former, but I'm not willing to gamble the '31 pick on him.

We need a catalyst and Jimmy just might be the answer.

Carno wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:16 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:36 am

Ya I strongly disagree with the bad locker room presence comment as well. His attitude is exactly what we need. There’s no one on the team who will call out KD/Book right now and KD/Book aren’t the types to call out their teammates either. Jimmy is. This isn’t a situation where we have a bunch of Ayton’s that will get all mopey if we get on them…I think our guys will respond. They just need someone on them when they slack off for a bit. CP3 didn’t allow it and Jimmy won’t either.

I generally agree with the sentiment, which is the main reason I support trading for Butler. However, there is a fine line between being a leader and being a dick. Jimmy has a history of crossing that line. He could be great for the Suns, or he could be a dumpster fire. I think it's the former, but I'm not willing to gamble the '31 pick on him.

Jimmy does cross that line…I’m willing to take that risk. He gives us a shot…right now I’m not sure we have a shot

They can always trade the '31 pick with protections on it. It'll limit its value some, but it'd be stupid to trade a pick that far in the future without protection in case they bottom out for a year or two.

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:43 am

They can always trade the '31 pick with protections on it. It'll limit its value some, but it'd be stupid to trade a pick that far in the future without protection in case they bottom out for a year or two.

The KD trade has shown that Ishbia is all too willing to raw dog his picks and shove them in there with no protection.

Evaluating a potential trade between the Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat involving Bradley Beal and Jimmy Butler necessitates a comprehensive analysis of both players' current performances, contract situations, and the strategic implications for the Suns.

Player Performance and Availability

Bradley Beal (Age: 31):

2024-2025 Season Stats:
Points per game: 17.8
Rebounds per game: 4.2
Assists per game: 3.3
Field Goal Percentage: 47.5%
Three-Point Percentage: 38.3%

Injury History:
Beal has experienced multiple injuries this season, including calf and elbow issues, leading to several missed games.
His recent seasons have been marred by recurring absences, raising concerns about his long-term durability.

Jimmy Butler (Age: 35):

2024-2025 Season Stats:
Points per game: 19.4
Rebounds per game: 6.1
Assists per game: 5.0
Field Goal Percentage: 55.2%
Three-Point Percentage: 35.7%

Injury History:
Butler has dealt with knee and ankle injuries this season, causing him to miss several games.
Historically, he has been prone to injuries, often missing a significant number of games each season.

Contractual Considerations

Bradley Beal:

Current Contract: Five-year, $251 million supermax contract signed in 2022.
Annual Salary Breakdown:
2024-2025: $50.2 million
2025-2026: $53.7 million
2026-2027: $57.1 million (Player Option)
Beal's contract included a no-trade clause, which he waived to facilitate his move to the Suns.

Jimmy Butler:

Current Contract: Three-year, $146.4 million contract extension signed in 2021.
Annual Salary Breakdown:
2024-2025: $48.8 million
2025-2026: $52.4 million (Player Option)

Trade Scenarios

Scenario 1: Bradley Beal and 2031 First-Round Pick for Jimmy Butler

Pros:
Defensive Enhancement: Butler's defensive prowess could bolster the Suns' perimeter defense, an area where Beal is less impactful.
Playoff Experience: Butler's proven track record in the playoffs aligns with the Suns' championship aspirations.
Contractual Flexibility: Butler's shorter contract duration offers the Suns potential financial flexibility sooner than Beal's extended deal.
Cons:
Age and Injury Concerns: At 35, Butler's age and injury history pose risks related to performance decline and availability.
Future Asset Depletion: Including a 2031 first-round pick further depletes the Suns' future assets, potentially hindering long-term planning.

Scenario 2: Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler (No Draft Pick Included)

Pros:
Immediate Talent Exchange: Swapping Beal for Butler addresses current roster needs without sacrificing future draft capital.
Defensive and Leadership Upgrade: Butler's defensive skills and leadership could provide the Suns with the necessary edge for deep playoff runs.
Cons:
Age and Contractual Risks: Similar to Scenario 1, Butler's age and contract pose potential risks.
Chemistry Considerations: Integrating Butler into the existing system may require adjustments, and there's no guarantee his playing style will seamlessly mesh with the current roster dynamics.

Recommendation

Considering the Suns' current championship window and the need for defensive fortitude and playoff experience, pursuing a trade for Jimmy Butler could be advantageous. However, it is imperative to preserve future assets to maintain long-term flexibility and sustainability.

Definitive Recommendation:

Proceed with Scenario 2, trading Bradley Beal for Jimmy Butler without including the 2031 first-round pick. This approach addresses immediate roster needs and championship aspirations while safeguarding future draft capital, balancing present competitiveness with long-term planning.

Thanks ChatGPT

Carno wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:16 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:36 am

Ya I strongly disagree with the bad locker room presence comment as well. His attitude is exactly what we need. There’s no one on the team who will call out KD/Book right now and KD/Book aren’t the types to call out their teammates either. Jimmy is. This isn’t a situation where we have a bunch of Ayton’s that will get all mopey if we get on them…I think our guys will respond. They just need someone on them when they slack off for a bit. CP3 didn’t allow it and Jimmy won’t either.

I generally agree with the sentiment, which is the main reason I support trading for Butler. However, there is a fine line between being a leader and being a dick. Jimmy has a history of crossing that line. He could be great for the Suns, or he could be a dumpster fire. I think it's the former, but I'm not willing to gamble the '31 pick on him.

He crossed that line when he played with a bunch of wusses in Minnesota. That's more on those losers than him.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:10 pm

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:56 pm

Who dis?

It’s Shams. Just a summary and transcript of what he was saying on NBA today

Who says no?


Heat- Cam Johnson, Bradley Beal


Nets- Duncan Robinson, Jovic, 2 1st from Miami, 2nd from MIA, 2nd from PHX

Suns- Jimmy Butler, Josh Richardson

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:47 pm

Who says no?


Heat- Cam Johnson, Bradley Beal


Nets- Duncan Robinson, Jovic, 2 1st from Miami, 2nd from MIA, 2nd from PHX

Suns- Jimmy Butler, Josh Richardson

I think this is really a good take, but I don't see why the Heat would give up 2 1sts just to get out from Robinson's deal (who really isn't bad, just makes too much).

Miami's not giving up 2 1sts for that return

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:03 pm

Thanks ChatGPT

All me, bro!

I put 2 first from Miami cuz that’s going rate for Cam Johnson. I think the best way to facilitate a Jimmy-Beal is a 3 team trade where Miami gets upgrade somewhere else while taking on Beal too cuz I have no hope Beal would waive his NTC for anywhere else besides Miami.

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:09 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:03 pm

Thanks ChatGPT

All me, bro!

Impressive! Putting the AI in AIG

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:24 pm

I put 2 first from Miami cuz that’s going rate for Cam Johnson. I think the best way to facilitate a Jimmy-Beal is a 3 team trade where Miami gets upgrade somewhere else while taking on Beal too cuz I have no hope Beal would waive his NTC for anywhere else besides Miami.

Aint nobody giving 2 first for cam motherfucking Johnson. I'll avatar bet that all day

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:13 pm

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:09 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:03 pm

Thanks ChatGPT

All me, bro!

Impressive! Putting the AI in AIG

It looks like ChatGPT style, but ChatGPT isn’t sufficiently up to date to generate it.

Cap wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:27 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:13 pm

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 2:09 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 1:03 pm

Thanks ChatGPT

All me, bro!

Impressive! Putting the AI in AIG

It looks like ChatGPT style, but ChatGPT isn’t sufficiently up to date to generate it.

I believe with some paid GPTs you actually get up to date statistics s to pull from. At least I know that’s the case for stocks.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:14 pm

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:24 pm

I put 2 first from Miami cuz that’s going rate for Cam Johnson. I think the best way to facilitate a Jimmy-Beal is a 3 team trade where Miami gets upgrade somewhere else while taking on Beal too cuz I have no hope Beal would waive his NTC for anywhere else besides Miami.

Aint nobody giving 2 first for cam motherfucking Johnson. I'll avatar bet that all day

That’s their asking price right now. I don’t think I would but Knicks gave up 5 1st round picks for Mikal and Cam Johnson, at least so far this season, is arguably playing better than Mikal is. I don’t think 2 1st is that wild of an ask. I guess we’ll see.

I also read rumors the Heat are interested in Vucevic and letting Bam play the 4, so how about this?



Heat - Beal, Lonzo Ball, Vucevic


Bulls- Rozier, Duncan Robinson, 3 seconds from MIA. 1 second from PHX

Suns- Jimmy, Josh Richardson



Who says no?