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"My mindset was to dominate. That was my only mindset and every night I played with that type of mentality. There were no finger rolls Ayton soft layups at the rim for me. I wanted to let the fans, the opposing teams know that I'm here and we're here."

Interesting...

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:22 am

"My mindset was to dominate. That was my only mindset and every night I played with that type of mentality. There were no finger rolls Ayton soft layups at the rim for me. I wanted to let the fans, the opposing teams know that I'm here and we're here."

Interesting...

Let's hope Amare has "the talk" with Ayton. They have a lot in common. Both last names start with 'A' and are five letters.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:25 am

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:22 am

"My mindset was to dominate. That was my only mindset and every night I played with that type of mentality. There were no finger rolls Ayton soft layups at the rim for me. I wanted to let the fans, the opposing teams know that I'm here and we're here."

Interesting...

Let's hope Amare has "the talk" with Ayton. They have a lot in common. Both last names start with 'A' and are five letters.

Pretty sure Ayton already has a kid... He's well past "the talk"

He needs a "shit or get off the pot" talk.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:25 am

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:22 am

"My mindset was to dominate. That was my only mindset and every night I played with that type of mentality. There were no finger rolls Ayton soft layups at the rim for me. I wanted to let the fans, the opposing teams know that I'm here and we're here."

Interesting...

Let's hope Amare has "the talk" with Ayton. They have a lot in common. Both last names start with 'A' and are five letters.

'Deandre Ayton' and 'Amare Stoudemire'?

In2ition wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:51 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:25 am

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:22 am

"My mindset was to dominate. That was my only mindset and every night I played with that type of mentality. There were no finger rolls Ayton soft layups at the rim for me. I wanted to let the fans, the opposing teams know that I'm here and we're here."

Interesting...

Let's hope Amare has "the talk" with Ayton. They have a lot in common. Both last names start with 'A' and are five letters.

'Deandre Ayton' and 'Amare Stoudemire'?

It's before noon and he's retired... I'll give him a pass. LOL

It's hard to watch old footage of Amare because it just makes me mad that Ayton is such a ninny. Amare wanted to tear the darn rim down on every dunk, and he knew exactly how to use his size and strength to go to the basket and either get a dunk or use his physicality to create an angle for himself.

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:36 am

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

That's a stretch. He's dunked on a few people in his career. It just feels like his aggression near the rim for his entire career, if you put those clips into a highlight reel, would be far fewer than any of Amare's singular first 4 years in the league.

Could you imagine teams putting guards and small men on Amare? Amare would murder them. Ayton gets the ball and passes is it out right away when he has a small defender on him in the post.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:36 am

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

That's disingenuous and you know it... The Valley Oop will forever live on in Suns lore. Amare was just doing it on a more consistent level and he didn't have as sweet as a pull up shot as Ayton, so i'd argue Amare's game REQUIRED him to posterize people way more. Ayton's game is more rounded, and we all just wish he'd add that level of tenacity Amare showed, nothing wrong with that.

In comparison of Amare and Ayton of their years from 22-24 yrs old per 100 possessions:

Amare had 8 more FT attempts per game. I think that's the difference. He moved with force, created contact, and tried to score through guys so they felt it.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:03 pm

In comparison of Amare and Ayton of their years from 22-24 yrs old per 100 possessions:

Amare had 8 more FT attempts per game. I think that's the difference. He moved with force, created contact, and tried to score through guys so they felt it.

Agree. You know guys were really trying to get themselves up (or had a little intimidation) going up against Amare because he was going to try to score through you many times that night. I can't imagine anyone being worried about Ayton making their night physically difficult.

If only we had someone who could dunk over Giannis.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:55 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:36 am

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

That's disingenuous and you know it... The Valley Oop will forever live on in Suns lore. Amare was just doing it on a more consistent level and he didn't have as sweet as a pull up shot as Ayton, so i'd argue Amare's game REQUIRED him to posterize people way more. Ayton's game is more rounded, and we all just wish he'd add that level of tenacity Amare showed, nothing wrong with that.

You gotta admit, though, it's kind of hilarious that people say, "Ayton never dunks" when the greatest play in Suns history was an Ayton dunk.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:03 pm

In comparison of Amare and Ayton of their years from 22-24 yrs old per 100 possessions:

Amare had 8 more FT attempts per game. I think that's the difference. He moved with force, created contact, and tried to score through guys so they felt it.

This is so important and wish DA could learn to do this, and honestly it's not out of the realm of possibility. He does this... We will win that ring, barring any injuries.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:15 pm

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:55 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:36 am

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

That's disingenuous and you know it... The Valley Oop will forever live on in Suns lore. Amare was just doing it on a more consistent level and he didn't have as sweet as a pull up shot as Ayton, so i'd argue Amare's game REQUIRED him to posterize people way more. Ayton's game is more rounded, and we all just wish he'd add that level of tenacity Amare showed, nothing wrong with that.

You gotta admit, though, it's kind of hilarious that people say, "Ayton never dunks" when the greatest play in Suns history was an Ayton dunk.

There is absolutely no need to take "Ayton never dunks" as an absolute or even a literal statement. It is hyperbole to make a statement, which is that he doesn't dunk as much as nearly every Suns fan wants him to. Perhaps if he tried to dunk on and through everyone, he would get to the line more than 4.3 attempts per 100 possessions?

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:55 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:36 am

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

That's disingenuous and you know it... The Valley Oop will forever live on in Suns lore. Amare was just doing it on a more consistent level and he didn't have as sweet as a pull up shot as Ayton, so i'd argue Amare's game REQUIRED him to posterize people way more. Ayton's game is more rounded, and we all just wish he'd add that level of tenacity Amare showed, nothing wrong with that.

I think you’re forgetting Amare’s jumper was almost automatic 15 feet and in. He worked on that early and it became money for him.

The fact that Amare developed his offensive game so well and so quickly was so impressive. He was incredibly raw as a rookie and just used his athleticism to make an impact, and then became a 25 ppg scorer in 2 years, had microfracture, and then became a different kind of 25 ppg scorer 2 years post-op.

If he (Or Mike D) gave a crap about defense, he likely could have developed into a dominant 2-way player. There was never a question of his ability to work and add to his game.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:36 am

Yeah it’s too bad Ayton has never posterized anybody in his entire life.

This is pretty much a textbook straw man argument.