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Hermen wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:37 am

Don't get me wrong, give Booker the max, but why is he getting an extension now? Isn't the team just throwing away half of the cap space next year? It's not like he will turn down the max contract next summer, and he's getting the same money anyway. As competitive as Booker appears to be, it seems like he could understand that extra $20M (I guess?) cap space helps greatly next year when everyone is a free agent.

UglyTruth wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:58 pm

carey wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:16 am

JeremyG wrote:

Hermen wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:37 am

Don't get me wrong, give Booker the max, but why is he getting an extension now? Isn't the team just throwing away half of the cap space next year? It's not like he will turn down the max contract next summer, and he's getting the same money anyway. As competitive as Booker appears to be, it seems like he could understand that extra $20M (I guess?) cap space helps greatly next year when everyone is a free agent.

Sarver’s cheap. He doesn’t want to be able to add an extra 20 million in payroll.

Seriously though I don’t think either side wants to risk anything at this point. Just get him locked up.

I think the "Sarver is cheap" bullshit needs to stop. They're doing it now because they're terrified he's going to leave. Booker's doing it now because he's been on a cheap ass rookie contract while playing like a star for the last three years and he wants the money and respect that comes with it around the league.

When Sarver actually pays his staff at least average salary for what their peers make in the NBA, the “Sarver is cheap” bullshit will stop. Until then it will continue.

Why is it that Gentry, Hunter, Hornacek, Watson, Triano, B____s and even McD all were among the least paid for their position in the NBA?

Weren’t there rumors that salary was the reason Budenholzer passed on the Suns so Sarver can sign a rookie HC which is normally lot cheaper than guys with HC experience?

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:00 pm

UglyTruth wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:58 pm

carey wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:16 am

JeremyG wrote:

Hermen wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:37 am

Don't get me wrong, give Booker the max, but why is he getting an extension now? Isn't the team just throwing away half of the cap space next year? It's not like he will turn down the max contract next summer, and he's getting the same money anyway. As competitive as Booker appears to be, it seems like he could understand that extra $20M (I guess?) cap space helps greatly next year when everyone is a free agent.

Sarver’s cheap. He doesn’t want to be able to add an extra 20 million in payroll.

Seriously though I don’t think either side wants to risk anything at this point. Just get him locked up.

I think the "Sarver is cheap" bullshit needs to stop. They're doing it now because they're terrified he's going to leave. Booker's doing it now because he's been on a cheap ass rookie contract while playing like a star for the last three years and he wants the money and respect that comes with it around the league.

When Sarver actually pays his staff at least average salary for what their peers make in the NBA, the “Sarver is cheap” bullshit will stop. Until then it will continue.

Why is it that Gentry, Hunter, Hornacek, Watson, Triano, B____s and even McD all were among the least paid for their position in the NBA?

Weren’t there rumors that salary was the reason Budenholzer passed on the Suns so Sarver can sign a rookie HC which is normally lot cheaper than guys with HC experience?

Funny how you skip our new coach who just got a competitive contract.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:12 pm

He also low balled Kerr after the WCFs run.

UglyTruth wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:03 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:00 pm

UglyTruth wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:58 pm

carey wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:16 am

JeremyG wrote:
Sarver’s cheap. He doesn’t want to be able to add an extra 20 million in payroll.

Seriously though I don’t think either side wants to risk anything at this point. Just get him locked up.

I think the "Sarver is cheap" bullshit needs to stop. They're doing it now because they're terrified he's going to leave. Booker's doing it now because he's been on a cheap ass rookie contract while playing like a star for the last three years and he wants the money and respect that comes with it around the league.

When Sarver actually pays his staff at least average salary for what their peers make in the NBA, the “Sarver is cheap” bullshit will stop. Until then it will continue.

Why is it that Gentry, Hunter, Hornacek, Watson, Triano, B____s and even McD all were among the least paid for their position in the NBA?

Weren’t there rumors that salary was the reason Budenholzer passed on the Suns so Sarver can sign a rookie HC which is normally lot cheaper than guys with HC experience?

Funny how you skip our new coach who just got a competitive contract.

Tell me you have a source for that other than Gambo who is Sarver’s mouth piece and publicist...and even if true is 1/11 a good number?

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Get ready for a whole lot of negative (as usual) from me:

1) Ariza signing makes zero sense. He's a three. We have lots of threes. It was the one position where we already incredibly over-saturated. There was already questions as to how TJ Warren fits in. This feels like Dragic/Bledsoe/IT times five.

Further, the "championship pedigree" stuff is garbage. He won a championship because he was on a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol that was coached by Phil Jackson. What "veteran leadership" or "role model" do they think they are getting with him that they arent getting from Jared Dudley or Tyson Chandler? The only positive stuff I've heard is "well its only one year".

2) Tyreke Evans got a one year, 12 million dollar deal with Indiana. He's 28 and could probably share play-making duties well with Booker and Knight. He also plays one of the two positions we were incredibly weak at. Wasted opportunity.

MightyMoog wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:15 pm

Well Bryan Colangelo turned out to be a clown. The one he needed to keep was Kerr. Also, other than Phil Jackson, when has hiring a coach with experience paid off. Most coaches that win, win with their first team. So statistically I get Sarvers reasoning.

MightyMoog wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:15 pm

Well Bryan Colangelo turned out to be a clown. The one he needed to keep was Kerr. Also, other than Phil Jackson, when has hiring a coach with experience paid off. Most coaches that win, win with their first team. So statistically I get Sarvers reasoning.

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:20 pm

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Get ready for a whole lot of negative (as usual) from me:

1) Ariza signing makes zero sense. He's a three. We have lots of threes. It was the one position where we already incredibly over-saturated. There was already questions as to how TJ Warren fits in. This feels like Dragic/Bledsoe/IT times five.

Further, the "championship pedigree" stuff is garbage. He won a championship because he was on a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol that was coached by Phil Jackson. What "veteran leadership" or "role model" do they think they are getting with him that they arent getting from Jared Dudley or Tyson Chandler? The only positive stuff I've heard is "well its only one year".

2) Tyreke Evans got a one year, 12 million dollar deal with Indiana. He's 28 and could probably share play-making duties well with Booker and Knight. He also plays one of the two positions we were incredibly weak at. Wasted opportunity.

You're worried too much about traditional positions. And Ariza is going to get most, if not all, of his minutes at the "4".It's also not remotely close to Dragic/IT/Bled. The problem with those guys was they were all primary ball handlers sharing the court together. Ariza/Bridges/Warren etc. are off the ball players and they can share the court without changing anything about their game.

Playing multiple wings at a time is more comparable to playing 5 wr lineups or splitting a rb out as a receiver. The dragic/bled/IT issue was like putting 2 qb's in the backfield.

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:20 pm

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Get ready for a whole lot of negative (as usual) from me:

1) Ariza signing makes zero sense. He's a three. We have lots of threes. It was the one position where we already incredibly over-saturated. There was already questions as to how TJ Warren fits in. This feels like Dragic/Bledsoe/IT times five.

Further, the "championship pedigree" stuff is garbage. He won a championship because he was on a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol that was coached by Phil Jackson. What "veteran leadership" or "role model" do they think they are getting with him that they arent getting from Jared Dudley or Tyson Chandler? The only positive stuff I've heard is "well its only one year".

2) Tyreke Evans got a one year, 12 million dollar deal with Indiana. He's 28 and could probably share play-making duties well with Booker and Knight. He also plays one of the two positions we were incredibly weak at. Wasted opportunity.

You're worried too much about traditional positions. And Ariza is going to get most, if not all, of his minutes at the "4".It's also not remotely close to Dragic/IT/Bled. The problem with those guys was they were all primary ball handlers sharing the court together. Ariza/Bridges/Warren etc. are off the ball players and they can share the court without changing anything about their game.

Playing multiple wings at a time is more comparable to playing 5 wr lineups or splitting a rb out as a receiver. The dragic/bled/IT issue was like putting 2 qb's in the backfield.

JCSunsfan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:30 pm

The new NBA has three positions: Lead guard (1), wings (3 or 2), and big (1 or 2).

Lead guard: Knight, Okobo, Harrison, Booker
Wing: Booker, Ariza, JJ, TJ, Bridges, Daniels, Bender
Big: Ayton, Chandler, Chriss, Bender

Given that model, the depth chart is fairly well balanced. We just need a better starting pg.

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:35 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:20 pm

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Get ready for a whole lot of negative (as usual) from me:

1) Ariza signing makes zero sense. He's a three. We have lots of threes. It was the one position where we already incredibly over-saturated. There was already questions as to how TJ Warren fits in. This feels like Dragic/Bledsoe/IT times five.

Further, the "championship pedigree" stuff is garbage. He won a championship because he was on a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol that was coached by Phil Jackson. What "veteran leadership" or "role model" do they think they are getting with him that they arent getting from Jared Dudley or Tyson Chandler? The only positive stuff I've heard is "well its only one year".

2) Tyreke Evans got a one year, 12 million dollar deal with Indiana. He's 28 and could probably share play-making duties well with Booker and Knight. He also plays one of the two positions we were incredibly weak at. Wasted opportunity.

You're worried too much about traditional positions. And Ariza is going to get most, if not all, of his minutes at the "4".It's also not remotely close to Dragic/IT/Bled. The problem with those guys was they were all primary ball handlers sharing the court together. Ariza/Bridges/Warren etc. are off the ball players and they can share the court without changing anything about their game.

Playing multiple wings at a time is more comparable to playing 5 wr lineups or splitting a rb out as a receiver. The dragic/bled/IT issue was like putting 2 qb's in the backfield.

*Giant shrug*

I see what youre saying but I still think it makes zero sense. I also think Evans at the 1 is a much better option than at Ariza at the 4.

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:43 pm

JCSunsfan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:30 pm

The new NBA has three positions: Lead guard (1), wings (3 or 2), and big (1 or 2).

Lead guard: Knight, Okobo, Harrison, Booker
Wing: Booker, Ariza, JJ, TJ, Bridges, Daniels, Bender
Big: Ayton, Chandler, Chriss, Bender

Given that model, the depth chart is fairly well balanced. We just need a better starting pg.

I think you have to often play two "bigs" unless you have Shawn Marion who is the size of a wing but rebounds like a big (Ariza doesnt come close...his rebound rate is half of Marion's a la 2006).

Looking at those four bigs and three "lead guards" (I wont count Booker), I see one player (Ayton) that will probably be in the league in three years. I count five wings on your list who will probably still be in the league in 2021.

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:43 pm

JCSunsfan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:30 pm

The new NBA has three positions: Lead guard (1), wings (3 or 2), and big (1 or 2).

Lead guard: Knight, Okobo, Harrison, Booker
Wing: Booker, Ariza, JJ, TJ, Bridges, Daniels, Bender
Big: Ayton, Chandler, Chriss, Bender

Given that model, the depth chart is fairly well balanced. We just need a better starting pg.

I think you have to often play two "bigs" unless you have Shawn Marion who is the size of a wing but rebounds like a big (Ariza doesnt come close...his rebound rate is half of Marion's a la 2006).

Looking at those four bigs and three "lead guards" (I wont count Booker), I see one player (Ayton) that will probably be in the league in three years. I count five wings on your list who will probably still be in the league in 2021.

UglyTruth wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:58 pm

Weren’t there rumors that salary was the reason Budenholzer passed on the Suns so Sarver can sign a rookie HC which is normally lot cheaper than guys with HC experience?

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:00 pm

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:35 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:20 pm

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Get ready for a whole lot of negative (as usual) from me:

1) Ariza signing makes zero sense. He's a three. We have lots of threes. It was the one position where we already incredibly over-saturated. There was already questions as to how TJ Warren fits in. This feels like Dragic/Bledsoe/IT times five.

Further, the "championship pedigree" stuff is garbage. He won a championship because he was on a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol that was coached by Phil Jackson. What "veteran leadership" or "role model" do they think they are getting with him that they arent getting from Jared Dudley or Tyson Chandler? The only positive stuff I've heard is "well its only one year".

2) Tyreke Evans got a one year, 12 million dollar deal with Indiana. He's 28 and could probably share play-making duties well with Booker and Knight. He also plays one of the two positions we were incredibly weak at. Wasted opportunity.

You're worried too much about traditional positions. And Ariza is going to get most, if not all, of his minutes at the "4".It's also not remotely close to Dragic/IT/Bled. The problem with those guys was they were all primary ball handlers sharing the court together. Ariza/Bridges/Warren etc. are off the ball players and they can share the court without changing anything about their game.

Playing multiple wings at a time is more comparable to playing 5 wr lineups or splitting a rb out as a receiver. The dragic/bled/IT issue was like putting 2 qb's in the backfield.

*Giant shrug*

I see what youre saying but I still think it makes zero sense. I also think Evans at the 1 is a much better option than at Ariza at the 4.

That's fair, I liked Tyreke too