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Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:41 pm
by Wally_West
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:35 pm
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:33 pm
Use Nurk to go get Portis or Obi?
Would still do Grayson to the Magic for Gray Harris + both of next year’s ‘25 1st
Or Anthony black and a 1st.
Or Beal and 1st for KCP and Isaac
Lots of combinations if ORL wanted Beal. But I believe if they actually did, he'd be gone by now. Hopefully there is still time to pull something off, but not holding my breath.
Clearly our attention was for Jimmy, now that’s not happening, maybe there’s back up Beal plan? My preference is a Grayson trade. I was more picks, need more cheap talented players with promise.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:42 pm
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:40 pm
The Allen deal for Harris and picks doesn't sit well because it feels a bit like dumping. Losing a viable rotation player for 2 picks sends a bad message to the vets. If you're trading Allen you need a legit rotation player back.
These vets don't deserve to be appeased. Adding a 1stR while cutting salary is good for the short-mid term flexibility. More time for Dunn too, and less clutter if you must keep Beal.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:42 pm
by ShelC
Didn't want Jimmy here, he would've weighed us down and aged us up even more. Let the Warriors have him. We're not going anywhere regardless and might not even be a play-in team. Could see major changes in the offseason.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:43 pm
by Ring_Wanted
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:41 pm
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:35 pm
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:33 pm
Use Nurk to go get Portis or Obi?
Would still do Grayson to the Magic for Gray Harris + both of next year’s ‘25 1st
Or Anthony black and a 1st.
Or Beal and 1st for KCP and Isaac
Lots of combinations if ORL wanted Beal. But I believe if they actually did, he'd be gone by now. Hopefully there is still time to pull something off, but not holding my breath.
Clearly our attention was for Jimmy, now that’s not happening, maybe there’s back up Beal plan? My preference is a Grayson trade. I was more picks, need more cheap talented players with promise.
Agreed.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:43 pm
by ShelC
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:42 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:40 pm
The Allen deal for Harris and picks doesn't sit well because it feels a bit like dumping. Losing a viable rotation player for 2 picks sends a bad message to the vets. If you're trading Allen you need a legit rotation player back.
These vets don't deserve to be appeased. Adding a 1stR while cutting salary is good for the short-mid term flexibility. More time for Dunn too, and less clutter if you must keep Beal.
You can move Allen in the offseason or draft night just the same.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:47 pm
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:43 pm
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:42 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:40 pm
The Allen deal for Harris and picks doesn't sit well because it feels a bit like dumping. Losing a viable rotation player for 2 picks sends a bad message to the vets. If you're trading Allen you need a legit rotation player back.
These vets don't deserve to be appeased. Adding a 1stR while cutting salary is good for the short-mid term flexibility. More time for Dunn too, and less clutter if you must keep Beal.
You can move Allen in the offseason or draft night just the same.
I'm of the opinion that I don't wait if I can get now my targeted price. Why risk it? Injuries, shooting slumps, team performance... too many factors. Is Allen helping us getting anywhere the rest of this season? Don't think so.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:50 pm
by ShelC
Injuries are one thing but everyone in the league knows who and what Grayson Allen is. There's no shooting slump that will change anyone's opinion on him at this point. And while Allen isn't helping us get anywhere, dumping him for picks tells the rest of the team the FO is basically giving up on the season.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:56 pm
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:50 pm
Injuries are one thing but everyone in the league knows who and what Grayson Allen is. There's no shooting slump that will change anyone's opinion on him at this point. And while Allen isn't helping us get anywhere, dumping him for picks tells the rest of the team the FO is basically giving up on the season.
I have no problem giving up the season if that's what liquidifying Allen represents, but honestly I don't think that's the case. Like I said, moving Allen (dumping him, in this case) opens up more minutes for Dunn and alleviates the logjam with Beal. Give me that, plus the pick, and I'll see what's best next summer.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:10 pm
by Wally_West
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:47 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:43 pm
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:42 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:40 pm
The Allen deal for Harris and picks doesn't sit well because it feels a bit like dumping. Losing a viable rotation player for 2 picks sends a bad message to the vets. If you're trading Allen you need a legit rotation player back.
These vets don't deserve to be appeased. Adding a 1stR while cutting salary is good for the short-mid term flexibility. More time for Dunn too, and less clutter if you must keep Beal.
You can move Allen in the offseason or draft night just the same.
I'm of the opinion that I don't wait if I can get now my targeted price. Why risk it? Injuries, shooting slumps, team performance... too many factors. Is Allen helping us getting anywhere the rest of this season? Don't think so.
This
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:12 pm
by Wally_West
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:56 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:50 pm
Injuries are one thing but everyone in the league knows who and what Grayson Allen is. There's no shooting slump that will change anyone's opinion on him at this point. And while Allen isn't helping us get anywhere, dumping him for picks tells the rest of the team the FO is basically giving up on the season.
I have no problem giving up the season if that's what liquidifying Allen represents, but honestly I don't think that's the case. Like I said, moving Allen (dumping him, in this case) opens up more minutes for Dunn and alleviates the logjam with Beal. Give me that, plus the pick, and I'll see what's best next summer.
Yep. Preach. Solidifies our rotation, helps with draft assets stash after we spend some of it with Nurk.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:17 pm
by Kryptonic
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:50 pm
Injuries are one thing but everyone in the league knows who and what Grayson Allen is. There's no shooting slump that will change anyone's opinion on him at this point. And while Allen isn't helping us get anywhere, dumping him for picks tells the rest of the team the FO is basically giving up on the season.
Not really…. It’s showing you that they’re forward thinking and too deep at one spot. Kinda makes sense, especially since we’re stuck with Beal.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:27 pm
by wpmiller42
Butler was just traded to the warriors
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:46 pm
by Uncle_Gene
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:19 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:16 pm
Not a bad Hail Mary for GSW, but turning Wiggins into Butler is probably just incremental, at least until the playoffs.
I'm just glad Butler AIN'T coming to the valley.
Yes I like Butler, but the Suns need more size. Another 35 year old guard wouldn't help.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:50 pm
by JJ Slim
Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:46 pm
Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:19 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:16 pm
Not a bad Hail Mary for GSW, but turning Wiggins into Butler is probably just incremental, at least until the playoffs.
I'm just glad Butler AIN'T coming to the valley.
Yes I like Butler, but the Suns need more size. Another 35 year old guard wouldn't help.
Especially with a year player option and 2 years extension. It makes me think that the real reason he wanted Phoenix was because he thought he could get more money from Ishbia. And he took the next best thing in what the Warriors offered him.
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:56 pm
by specialsauce
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:40 pm
The Allen deal for Harris and picks doesn't sit well because it feels a bit like dumping. Losing a viable rotation player for 2 picks sends a bad message to the vets. If you're trading Allen you need a legit rotation player back.
Yeah or you're shipping out your vets too which they're not doing apparently because we're all up KDs ass like he has a NTC
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:54 pm
by Mori Chu
LOL
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 1:37 pm
by JeremyG
Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:47 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 1:37 pm
Dude pulled out all the stops!