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You can say that again!

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:30 pm

You can say that again!

What's it called when you quote yourself saying that again?

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:34 pm

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:30 pm

You can say that again!

What's it called when you quote yourself saying that again?

Double double?

Sorry, the page tells me I can’t delete it.

Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:47 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:34 pm

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:30 pm

You can say that again!

What's it called when you quote yourself saying that again?

Double double?

Sorry, the page tells me I can’t delete it.

I got your back!

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:59 pm

In McD's defense, he never had Ayton, only Booker. And one star isn't enough to build around. You need at least 2. So I get why he kept swinging for the fences with the draft. I still think his draft record looks worse because we never invested in developing those players.

He did have Bledsoe, Goran and IT, but squandered those too.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:59 pm

Thanks for the assist!

I think this is spot on. The future of this team has ben trusted to Booker and Ayton. Rubio and the rest of the recent moves are looking forward to build around those two.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:56 pm

He did have Bledsoe, Goran and IT, but squandered those too.

None of those guys were stars. His biggest fault was thinking that they could even be. If he had his eyes more open we would've had our third guy in Fox.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:59 pm

Let's see if Ayton can put his big boy pants on and actually impact a game this year instead of throwing up meaningless stats when it doesn't matter. Let's see if Booker can be more than a ball chucking turnover machine. The pressure is getting turned up this year with the additions that were made.

MightyMoog wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:17 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:56 pm

He did have Bledsoe, Goran and IT, but squandered those too.

None of those guys were stars. His biggest fault was thinking that they could even be. If he had his eyes more open we would've had our third guy in Fox.

Remember when he said the core of the team was there during the 2013-2013 season? That was fun.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:42 am

Luke Kennard is a nice player, btw.

He is becoming one; but it has taken some time.

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:13 pm

Let's see if Ayton can put his big boy pants on and actually impact a game this year instead of throwing up meaningless stats when it doesn't matter. Let's see if Booker can be more than a ball chucking turnover machine. The pressure is getting turned up this year with the additions that were made.

Literally all of our games didn't matter this past season. Any stats any of our players earned were meaningless stats.

We've been 25th (or worse) in team payroll every year since 2012.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/2012-2013/

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:10 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:13 pm

Let's see if Ayton can put his big boy pants on and actually impact a game this year instead of throwing up meaningless stats when it doesn't matter. Let's see if Booker can be more than a ball chucking turnover machine. The pressure is getting turned up this year with the additions that were made.

Literally all of our games didn't matter this past season. Any stats any of our players earned were meaningless stats.

I get the "empty stats" thing but you do have to consider last season's roster and record. I'm hopeful Monty will force feed him the ball to keep him engaged and impactful down low. There were parts of games where he was dominant in the post and no one could check him. But if you're going to claim "empty stats", then Booker's numbers don't mean anything either.

I don’t like the term “empty stats.” Ayton’s stats weren’t empty. The rebounds he got helped the team, his high efficiency scoring helped the team. If you want to say he didn’t impose his will on the game, then that is accurate, but I don’t see the empty stats narrative.

You want empty stats? This team gave almost 2,000 minutes to Josh Jackson last year. That's in addition to not having an NBA-caliber PF or PG.

That's how you average 60 losses over the last four years - too many minutes to shitty players (Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Knight, Ulis, etc.) because they couldn't find decent players to fill those roles.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:17 am

I don’t like the term “empty stats.” Ayton’s stats weren’t empty. The rebounds he got helped the team, his high efficiency scoring helped the team. If you want to say he didn’t impose his will on the game, then that is accurate, but I don’t see the empty stats narrative.

Yeah, I don't like "empty stats" term given to players that are doing their best at a good efficiency. It's a derogatory term used for players that you want to sh!+ on.

da_suns_fan wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:47 pm

We've been 25th (or worse) in team payroll every year since 2012.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/2012-2013/

Well, at least the team wasn't over paying to be bad?

Kinda what I'm afraid of. If the Clips don't throw an offer at Oubre (if they strike out on Kawhi) , we have some leverage but it could get ugly if we lowball like "hey, there's no more money out there. Take our offer or play out the year".