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ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:26 am

Kinda what I'm afraid of. If the Clips don't throw an offer at Oubre (if they strike out on Kawhi) , we have some leverage but it could get ugly if we lowball like "hey, there's no more money out there. Take our offer or play out the year".

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:17 am

I don’t like the term “empty stats.” Ayton’s stats weren’t empty. The rebounds he got helped the team, his high efficiency scoring helped the team. If you want to say he didn’t impose his will on the game, then that is accurate, but I don’t see the empty stats narrative.

OE32 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:37 am

I hope James Jones, not Sarver, is the voice of reason in that room. I suspect that as a former player he might have a pretty good idea of what a bad contractual negotiation does to a player and a locker room. Sarver obviously has *experience* with this, but I expect his impulse might be to hardball.

I also hope Kelly doesn't come at all this from an unreasonable perspective... if he thinks he's worth $20 million no matter what the league tells him, then we're in a tough position. I wouldn't expect there to be any enticing S&T options. Not sure there are many solid FA options left, either, if we want to replace his scoring. How much faith do we want to place in Cam Johnson and Josh Jackson, in the alternative?

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:42 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:17 am

I don’t like the term “empty stats.” Ayton’s stats weren’t empty. The rebounds he got helped the team, his high efficiency scoring helped the team. If you want to say he didn’t impose his will on the game, then that is accurate, but I don’t see the empty stats narrative.

I may not have been clear in my previous post. When I said that all of our stats last season were "empty stats," that was not meant as a defense or argument for the concept of empty stats. To the contrary, my point was that one shouldn't just dismiss Ayton's numbers as "empty," because basically everything we did last season was equally "empty" in the sense that it didn't build toward a lot of wins or a playoff berth or anything concrete of that nature. So I think Ayton's numbers were equally meaningful to Booker's or anybody else's on the team. I think Ayton had a pretty good though not stellar rookie season, and that he can build on this to be even better next year. I think having a distributing PG and more overall roster talent and shooting around him will help give him space and get him the ball in more scoring positions. I think his numbers and quality of play will go up noticeably next year, and I'm here for it.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:18 am

Front office probably thinks they can just start Bridges and sign a guy like Hollis-Jefferson for a fraction of the price to come off the bench.

We'll see what happens. I'd give Kelly a deal averaging 18 and wouldn't think twice about it. I'm sure we're in the 12-14 range and playing hardball.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:08 am

Couldn't they give him a contract close to what he feels he's worth that includes incentives? I think that's allowed and a way for each side to get what they want. I don't want the Suns to play hardball and hold leverage over his head. It should be something totally reasonable that doesn't create hurt feelings either way. I think the Suns should be appreciative for the type of player and what he brings in the positive that includes to the culture of the team. Heck, they paid Dudley $10 mil a year for being a good guy.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:18 am

Front office probably thinks they can just start Bridges and sign a guy like Hollis-Jefferson for a fraction of the price to come off the bench.

We'll see what happens. I'd give Kelly a deal averaging 18 and wouldn't think twice about it. I'm sure we're in the 12-14 range and playing hardball.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:26 am

Kinda what I'm afraid of. If the Clips don't throw an offer at Oubre (if they strike out on Kawhi) , we have some leverage but it could get ugly if we lowball like "hey, there's no more money out there. Take our offer or play out the year".

SDC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:35 pm

He isn't needed.

Start mikal at the 3. Cam's the backup sf.

AmareIsGod wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:48 pm

SDC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:35 pm

He isn't needed.

Start mikal at the 3. Cam's the backup sf.

Letting him go is foolish. We don't know where the Suns stand in negotiations and are just assuming he's wanting an absurd amount of money that another team is willing to offer him or that he's going to do a 1-year deal. A lot of assumptions.

While I think Mikal will eventually be a really good player, Kelly is better today and in the near future. Mikal provides great depth. That is shot if you let Oubre go and throw him out there his 2nd season to start for us. He's too inconsistent.

SDC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:53 pm

I'm sorry, but I really don't care about oubre. They should have kept tj warren, who earns 12 mil/yr. TJ's slightly underpaid.

For oubre, it's either he accepts the "lowball" offer or he finds anther team.

Don't sign him to the one yr deal. Don't want a cancer in the locker room

SDC wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:07 pm

Josh Jackson, Cam Johnson, mikal Bridges, Kelly oubre. That's a logjam at sf