2018 Phoenix Suns Pick Watch

[1tinsoldier]

And funny hearing injury concerns being a worry from you, Mr. Amare This is the first year Kawhi has missed substantial time due to injury I believe

OK - You guys seem to bring up this same crap every time I disagree with you. I happened to be correct. I know the truth is hard to take.

How many playoffs have we participated in since our genius owner did not give Amare the $100 Mil? What alternatives were available when we didn't? How much have you enjoyed watching Phoenix Suns basketball since his departure. If you think it has been great so be it. If you think it would have been worse if we would have given him the $100 mil so be it, your choice not mine. How would our future have been hurt if we would have given him $100 Mil. Sarver spent that money, just on a bunch of pitiful replacements.

I love ya JWB, but you really were not correct about Amare. Giving Amare $100m in 2010 would have been insane, and we were absolutely right not to do it. It's shocking to me that you look at the way Amare's 2010-18 have turned out and still claim that we should have maxed him in 2010.

I think the reasoning is that if we'd kept Amar’e, we wouldn’t have picked up crap like Child and Turkey. With that hindsight, a reasonable argument can be made that we’d have been better off keeping Amar’e.

Of course, in an ideal world, we'd have traded Amar’e, and not used the cap room on crap.

Kind of like, in hindsight, it would have been better not to trade Nash. As it turns out, what we have to show for that trade is Brandon Knight, and we’d be better off with nothing to show for it than with Knight. But in an ideal world, we’d have traded Nash, and then kept the pick instead of trading it for BK.

interesting angle, except there is a mitigating factor
the Nash trade f'ed up the Lakers royally. and that's priceless

also, though resigning Amare would have screwed up our future, it turns out we didn't have one without him anyway
if we had him that next year, i believe we would have won a championship
i also believe 1 more year of Joe Johnson would have got us over the hump at the time

both periods, we were at our peak
the champions are champions because they kept it together in their prime

[Cap]

We got two picks for Nash, right? What was the other one?

Archie Goodwin.

[Mori Chu]

And funny hearing injury concerns being a worry from you, Mr. Amare This is the first year Kawhi has missed substantial time due to injury I believe

OK - You guys seem to bring up this same crap every time I disagree with you. I happened to be correct. I know the truth is hard to take.

How many playoffs have we participated in since our genius owner did not give Amare the $100 Mil? What alternatives were available when we didn't? How much have you enjoyed watching Phoenix Suns basketball since his departure. If you think it has been great so be it. If you think it would have been worse if we would have given him the $100 mil so be it, your choice not mine. How would our future have been hurt if we would have given him $100 Mil. Sarver spent that money, just on a bunch of pitiful replacements.

I love ya JWB, but you really were not correct about Amare. Giving Amare $100m in 2010 would have been insane, and we were absolutely right not to do it. It's shocking to me that you look at the way Amare's 2010-18 have turned out and still claim that we should have maxed him in 2010.

I think the reasoning is that if we'd kept Amar’e, we wouldn’t have picked up crap like Child and Turkey. With that hindsight, a reasonable argument can be made that we’d have been better off keeping Amar’e.

Of course, in an ideal world, we'd have traded Amar’e, and not used the cap room on crap.

Kind of like, in hindsight, it would have been better not to trade Nash. As it turns out, what we have to show for that trade is Brandon Knight, and we’d be better off with nothing to show for it than with Knight. But in an ideal world, we’d have traded Nash, and then kept the pick instead of trading it for BK.

But that's a completely invalid argument prima facie. The mistake is not in refusing to sign Amare; the mistake is in signing H**o T******u and other crud. The mistake isn't trading Nash for four (!!) picks; it's in wasting some of those picks. This is such silly stuff. Being shackled to Amare as his legs tore themselves apart, being stuck watching Nash work super hard to make a 3-game comeback at age 39 and then blow out a muscle or tendon again, these were not good options. Letting these players go (and in Nash's case, extracting a huge haul for him) were perfectly sound and correct basketball decisions. The fact that we then made other bad subsequent independent decisions after that does not change this fact in any way.

[Split T]

We got two picks for Nash, right? What was the other one?

Archie Goodwin.

Yikes, we really botched the great value we got for broken down Nash

[O_Gardino]

Miami lost again last night. That's 8 losses int he last 9 games. They have a much easier schedule from here on out, but I'm really pulling for Detroit.

[Hermen]

Miami lost again last night. That's 8 losses int he last 9 games. They have a much easier schedule from here on out, but I'm really pulling for Detroit.

Looks like Wade was not the answer.

[In2ition]

Miami lost again last night. That's 8 losses int he last 9 games. They have a much easier schedule from here on out, but I'm really pulling for Detroit.

Looks like Wade was not the answer.

5 yrs ago, maybe.

[Split T]

Who's going to be the first tanker to win a game post all star break? 6 teams at 18 wins (PHX, Atlanta, sac, Dallas, Memphis, Orlando) with Brooklyn at 19 and Chicago at 20. PHX, sac, Dallas, Memphis, and Orlando all in action tonight.

[Superbone]

Who's going to be the first tanker to win a game post all star break? 6 teams at 18 wins (PHX, Atlanta, sac, Dallas, Memphis, Orlando) with Brooklyn at 19 and Chicago at 20. PHX, sac, Dallas, Memphis, and Orlando all in action tonight.

It's certainly not going to be Phoenix tonight.

[Split T]

Who's going to be the first tanker to win a game post all star break? 6 teams at 18 wins (PHX, Atlanta, sac, Dallas, Memphis, Orlando) with Brooklyn at 19 and Chicago at 20. PHX, sac, Dallas, Memphis, and Orlando all in action tonight.

It's certainly not going to be Phoenix tonight.

Orlando already lost. Sacramento gets the Lakers on a back to back, that might be the best bet. I'd take Memphis beating Miami. Dallas is at the jazz I believe.

[specialsauce]

Well Kings, Bulls, Mavs and Grizz all lost

[Hermen]

Well Kings, Bulls, Mavs and Grizz all lost

Memphis already sat Gasol and Evans.

[JustWinBaby]

And funny hearing injury concerns being a worry from you, Mr. Amare This is the first year Kawhi has missed substantial time due to injury I believe

OK - You guys seem to bring up this same crap every time I disagree with you. I happened to be correct. I know the truth is hard to take.

How many playoffs have we participated in since our genius owner did not give Amare the $100 Mil? What alternatives were available when we didn't? How much have you enjoyed watching Phoenix Suns basketball since his departure. If you think it has been great so be it. If you think it would have been worse if we would have given him the $100 mil so be it, your choice not mine. How would our future have been hurt if we would have given him $100 Mil. Sarver spent that money, just on a bunch of pitiful replacements.

I love ya JWB, but you really were not correct about Amare. Giving Amare $100m in 2010 would have been insane, and we were absolutely right not to do it. It's shocking to me that you look at the way Amare's 2010-18 have turned out and still claim that we should have maxed him in 2010.

I think the reasoning is that if we'd kept Amar’e, we wouldn’t have picked up crap like Child and Turkey. With that hindsight, a reasonable argument can be made that we’d have been better off keeping Amar’e.

Of course, in an ideal world, we'd have traded Amar’e, and not used the cap room on crap.

Kind of like, in hindsight, it would have been better not to trade Nash. As it turns out, what we have to show for that trade is Brandon Knight, and we’d be better off with nothing to show for it than with Knight. But in an ideal world, we’d have traded Nash, and then kept the pick instead of trading it for BK.

But that's a completely invalid argument prima facie. The mistake is not in refusing to sign Amare; the mistake is in signing H**o T******u and other crud. The mistake isn't trading Nash for four (!!) picks; it's in wasting some of those picks. This is such silly stuff. Being shackled to Amare as his legs tore themselves apart, being stuck watching Nash work super hard to make a 3-game comeback at age 39 and then blow out a muscle or tendon again, these were not good options. Letting these players go (and in Nash's case, extracting a huge haul for him) were perfectly sound and correct basketball decisions. The fact that we then made other bad subsequent independent decisions after that does not change this fact in any way.

My point of using Amare as an example is that there really were no other viable players that we could have signed to replace him and no trades availabe due to his injuries. Just because we signed players that were horrible, Childress, Turkoglu and Warwick is not part of my argument. Who did we not sign that we should have and legitimately could have? I have never seen a list of these players then or now. I know most of you are in denial, so be it. The option to not sign Amare did in no way shape or form improve the fortunes of this franchise. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is not part of my argument.

In the case of Kawii, there are certainly physical issues that concern me. As well as why does he really want out of the Spurs and will he resign with the Suns. Those issues certainly need to be addressed. Certainly a healthy Kawii with the right attitude and willingness to come to Phoenix could change my mind.

More importantly we have great options at this point in time. We also need far more than just Kawaii Leonard at this point. This years draft pick depending on where it ends up and Jackson is too much to give up in our current situation.

[Superbone]

Seemed appropriate before tonight's game:

[Ring_Wanted]

My point of using Amare as an example is that there really were no other viable players that we could have signed to replace him and no trades availabe due to his injuries. Just because we signed players that were horrible, C*******s, T******u and Warwick is not part of my argument. Who did we not sign that we should have and legitimately could have? I have never seen a list of these players then or now. I know most of you are in denial, so be it. The option to not sign Amare did in no way shape or form improve the fortunes of this franchise. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is not part of my argument.

Just curious, why don't you separate between not signing Amare and whatever happened with the money after said fact?

In my opinion, those two decisions are not joined, as in, we didn't let Amare go because we wanted the space to go after those three guys that we had already targeted. It's actually like 'Ok, I know I don't want Amare because of the knees. And now I know I have to do something, anything' (with the results we all know).

[JustWinBaby]

I expect that was the plan, to go after those three guys. All of those players were horrible once we acquired them and we still had Steve Nash to spoon feed them.

Back to the subject at hand, I did not bring up Amare, Sauce did: Should we trade for Kawaii if available?

1. We did not have to give up draft picks and players to get those stellar players we signed to replace Amare.
2. Will Kawaii sign an extension with us?
3. What really is wrong with Kawaii''s health
4. Is Kawaii worth our number 1 pick this year and Jackson?

A healthy Kawaii coming in with a great attitude would probably be worth trading Jackson and our number 1 for. However I really like what we have and if we are able to draft the guy we want in this draft how can we turn that down for anyone?

Is Kawii > Ayton/Doncic + Jackson?

[In2ition]

Say the Suns win the #1 pick, but decide that JJJ or Bamba is the best in the draft for them. Do they trade down for more assets? Move to #4 and pick up another unprotected #1 from say, Dallas in 2019. Then use some of the draft assets(Suns '19, Dallas '19, Miami '18, Mil '18 or future, Miami '21, multiple 2nd rounders + Warren & cap guy like Knight, Chandler, Dudley). I'm sure a deal can be made without exhausting all assets or giving up the Suns '18 & Josh Jackson for Leonard.

[specialsauce]

If Kawhi is healthy, it’s a no brainer to me. There’s not many players I’d give that pick up for but he’s on the short list along with Curry, Embid, KAT, AD, and Greek Freak

[n4th4n]

Say the Suns win the #1 pick, but decide that JJJ or Bamba is the best in the draft for them. Do they trade down for more assets? Move to #4 and pick up another unprotected #1 from say, Dallas in 2019. Then use some of the draft assets(Suns '19, Dallas '19, Miami '18, Mil '18 or future, Miami '21, multiple 2nd rounders + Warren & cap guy like Knight, Chandler, Dudley). I'm sure a deal can be made without exhausting all assets or giving up the Suns '18 & Josh Jackson for Leonard.

I don't think there is any way we would trade down in this draft if we get the #1 or #2. Doncic and Ayton are clearly the best players on the board. Then there is a drop off to MPJ. And another drop off to Bagley/JJJ/Bamba/Young. We do need to consolidate assets though. The idea of adding an extra asset to sweeten the pot for a big trade is interesting but that would require a lot to go right and the timing would have to be perfect. I don't really think Leonard is going to be available anyway.

[O_Gardino]

Say the Suns win the #1 pick, but decide that JJJ or Bamba is the best in the draft for them. Do they trade down for more assets? Move to #4 and pick up another unprotected #1 from say, Dallas in 2019. Then use some of the draft assets(Suns '19, Dallas '19, Miami '18, Mil '18 or future, Miami '21, multiple 2nd rounders + Warren & cap guy like Knight, Chandler, Dudley). I'm sure a deal can be made without exhausting all assets or giving up the Suns '18 & Josh Jackson for Leonard.

I don't think there is any way we would trade down in this draft if we get the #1 or #2. Doncic and Ayton are clearly the best players on the board. Then there is a drop off to MPJ. And another drop off to Bagley/JJJ/Bamba/Young. We do need to consolidate assets though. The idea of adding an extra asset to sweeten the pot for a big trade is interesting but that would require a lot to go right and the timing would have to be perfect. I don't really think Leonard is going to be available anyway.

I don't think an asset we get for trading down would be enough to grab a legit star. If Leonard or Davis is available, it would take a top 3 pick to get them.

But I love the hypothetical situation of trading Ayton for JJJ + an asset. I like JJJ better anyway.