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This board has the most Robert Sarver fans/pro Sarver people out of any other Suns forum so I thought I’d post this here

I interpreted this statement as sarcasm. We regularly trash Saver on this board. I don't know of anybody here who is a "fan" of his.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Nobody is pro-Sarver that I've seen, however watching people say the same shit about him over and over for years is very tiresome to read. Beating a dead horse does nothing, being negative 24-7 does nothing. Waste of time. I'm just gonna start muting all the broken record people at this point.

You'll have a long list if you include people that constantly bitch about the Knight trade.

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Nobody is pro-Sarver that I've seen, however watching people say the same s*** about him over and over for years is very tiresome to read. Beating a dead horse does nothing, being negative 24-7 does nothing. Waste of time. I'm just gonna start muting all the broken record people at this point.

You'll have a long list if you include people that constantly bitch about the Knight trade.

Mhmm.. I'll just be reading 2 or 3 people at that point.

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

Spot on.

UglyTruth wrote:This board has the most Robert Sarver fans/pro Sarver people out of any other Suns forum so I thought I’d post this here
https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/995044461750046720 Please for Christ’s sake, stop ****ing defending Robert Sarver.

I remember this stance clearly. That is why I have always defended MDA's rotations while he was here. Fans and the media blamed MIke for not playing draft picks. Sarver sold draft picks. Mike had no draft picks with any talent to play. Mike usually played the first 7 or 8 players. He rarely played anyone after them except in blow out wins or losses. If you check out those rosters it is clear that Sarver was making these decisions. After the first 7 or 8 players there was little or no talent on the balance of the roster. Very few if any players every played for another NBA team after they left the Suns. The key to signing players was veterans at the minimum. This was due to the league picking up part of their salary.

It is a real shame that this ocurred and it is one of the main reasons we are in the shape we are today. Hopefully we right the ship this off season. I am still skeptical at best.

What the sad part is that he was willing to overpay veterans like Chandler and Dudley on this current roster that sucks virtually from top to bottom, when players with their skills were missing from SSOL. I expect Mike would have loved to have had those two in the day. However he would have had to take the Burger King card away from Dudley.

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

I am as down on Ryan as anyone. However it all goes back to Sarver. He is the one that hired him, just like he hired the great Lon Babby. Sarver is also the one that forced BC and Kerr out of town while low balling them. Sarver is also the one that let the D'Antoni situation get out of control and did nothing to back Mike, or so it seems.

So basically Sarver is horrible. He has basically run folks off that created a winning atmosphere for this franchise while keeping a GM that has run us into the ground.

Would anyone like the have that Laker pick in next weeks lottery, along with our own. That Knight trade could go down as absolutely the worst in history. Yet McDonough remains employed.

Sarver is the only one that can fire him and he hasn't. What a freaking joke.

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

+1

JustWinBaby wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

I am as down on Ryan as anyone. However it all goes back to Sarver. He is the one that hired him, just like he hired the great Lon Babby. Sarver is also the one that forced BC and Kerr out of town while low balling them. Sarver is also the one that let the D'Antoni situation get out of control and did nothing to back Mike, or so it seems.

So basically Sarver is horrible. He has basically run folks off that created a winning atmosphere for this franchise while keeping a GM that has run us into the ground.

Would anyone like the have that Laker pick in next weeks lottery, along with our own. That Knight trade could go down as absolutely the worst in history. Yet McDonough remains employed.

Sarver is the only one that can fire him and he hasn't. What a freaking joke.

Copy and paste this post every 2-3 months.

Nothing we can do to change any of that. Complaining about it won’t make it any better. Just accept he’s our owner and McD is the GM and move on.

specialsauce wrote:

JustWinBaby wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

I am as down on Ryan as anyone. However it all goes back to Sarver. He is the one that hired him, just like he hired the great Lon Babby. Sarver is also the one that forced BC and Kerr out of town while low balling them. Sarver is also the one that let the D'Antoni situation get out of control and did nothing to back Mike, or so it seems.

So basically Sarver is horrible. He has basically run folks off that created a winning atmosphere for this franchise while keeping a GM that has run us into the ground.

Would anyone like the have that Laker pick in next weeks lottery, along with our own. That Knight trade could go down as absolutely the worst in history. Yet McDonough remains employed.

Sarver is the only one that can fire him and he hasn't. What a freaking joke.

Copy and paste this post every 2-3 months.

Nothing we can do to change any of that. Complaining about it won’t make it any better. Just accept he’s our owner and McD is the GM and move on.

Just accept the fact that we are not going to go after your boy Kawaii Leonard, at least I hope not. The clowns we have in charge, just might.

I hope we can move on when we don't. Accept the fact the Sarver and McDonough are running things. I know you will with no complaints, you never ever complain about anything.

Gimme a break.

Indy wrote:Nobody here comes out and says "I am pro-sarver" but there are sevreral folks that regularly defend poor decisions made by this organization, and that starts with him.

^this. Not to bring politics into this but for reference, it reminds me of *** (politics) ***. // censored by Mori

specialsauce wrote:

JustWinBaby wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

I am as down on Ryan as anyone. However it all goes back to Sarver. He is the one that hired him, just like he hired the great Lon Babby. Sarver is also the one that forced BC and Kerr out of town while low balling them. Sarver is also the one that let the D'Antoni situation get out of control and did nothing to back Mike, or so it seems.

So basically Sarver is horrible. He has basically run folks off that created a winning atmosphere for this franchise while keeping a GM that has run us into the ground.

Would anyone like the have that Laker pick in next weeks lottery, along with our own. That Knight trade could go down as absolutely the worst in history. Yet McDonough remains employed.

Sarver is the only one that can fire him and he hasn't. What a freaking joke.

Copy and paste this post every 2-3 months.

Nothing we can do to change any of that. Complaining about it won’t make it any better. Just accept he’s our owner and McD is the GM and move on.

We can pray that he gets caught up in some scandal ala Jerry Richardson or Donald Sterling and gets forced to sell.

UglyTruth wrote:

Indy wrote:Nobody here comes out and says "I am pro-sarver" but there are sevreral folks that regularly defend poor decisions made by this organization, and that starts with him.

^this. Not to bring politics into this but for reference, it reminds me of Republicans these days who don’t pout their chest about being Republicans because of the president but still defend his and their actions.

Ill be honest, I don't fully understand this perspective. I want to believe (as objectively as I can) that the team is ultimately headed in the right direction, or at least helmed by people who want to put basketball first. I absolutely believe Sarver was a terrible owner for the first 10 years, and that he can try to take too much control from people. There have been some signs over the past 2-3 years that suggest he could be attempting to recognize and fix issues that have occurred in the past. My thought has been to withhold saying he will always be a terrible owner until it is obvious that the discussion of making changes was lip service.

Ultimately, if I really felt that he was the worst owner in sports, and there is no chance that the ownership/team can turn it around, I wouldn't hang out on this site complaining about it--I think I would just let my interests drift to somewhere else.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Nobody is pro-Sarver that I've seen, however watching people say the same s*** about him over and over for years is very tiresome to read. Beating a dead horse does nothing, being negative 24-7 does nothing. Waste of time. I'm just gonna start muting all the broken record people at this point.

You are going to feel the board very empty...

Not extending Joe Johnson... letting go Amare... The lakers pick!!!... D’Antoni is under rated... D’Antoni is over rated... Sarver sucks.... McD sucks... Our roster sucks... our drafting sucks... the trade that (insert any trade here) sucks... and any of this topics can be hiper specialized on minor topics!!!

But that’s kind of how going into your local bar works: My job sucks... my wife is a b***... My car is broken... my team underperformed... etc and in between some interesting jokes, beer and camaraderie...

carey wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Nobody is pro-Sarver that I've seen, however watching people say the same s*** about him over and over for years is very tiresome to read. Beating a dead horse does nothing, being negative 24-7 does nothing. Waste of time. I'm just gonna start muting all the broken record people at this point.

You'll have a long list if you include people that constantly bitch about the Knight trade.

And you can’t block moderators... I’ve tried.

JustWinBaby wrote:

specialsauce wrote:

JustWinBaby wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

I am as down on Ryan as anyone. However it all goes back to Sarver. He is the one that hired him, just like he hired the great Lon Babby. Sarver is also the one that forced BC and Kerr out of town while low balling them. Sarver is also the one that let the D'Antoni situation get out of control and did nothing to back Mike, or so it seems.

So basically Sarver is horrible. He has basically run folks off that created a winning atmosphere for this franchise while keeping a GM that has run us into the ground.

Would anyone like the have that Laker pick in next weeks lottery, along with our own. That Knight trade could go down as absolutely the worst in history. Yet McDonough remains employed.

Sarver is the only one that can fire him and he hasn't. What a freaking joke.

Copy and paste this post every 2-3 months.

Nothing we can do to change any of that. Complaining about it won’t make it any better. Just accept he’s our owner and McD is the GM and move on.

Just accept the fact that we are not going to go after your boy Kawaii Leonard, at least I hope not. The clowns we have in charge, just might.

I hope we can move on when we don't. Accept the fact the Sarver and McDonough are running things. I know you will with no complaints, you never ever complain about anything.

Gimme a break.

Lol. You’re talking apples and oranges buddy.

UglyTruth wrote:

specialsauce wrote:

JustWinBaby wrote:

INFORMER wrote:I think people play the "you are pro Sarver" card when a person refuses to blame everything on Sarver. Some like to act like every mistake Ryan has made has been because of Sarver.

I am as down on Ryan as anyone. However it all goes back to Sarver. He is the one that hired him, just like he hired the great Lon Babby. Sarver is also the one that forced BC and Kerr out of town while low balling them. Sarver is also the one that let the D'Antoni situation get out of control and did nothing to back Mike, or so it seems.

So basically Sarver is horrible. He has basically run folks off that created a winning atmosphere for this franchise while keeping a GM that has run us into the ground.

Would anyone like the have that Laker pick in next weeks lottery, along with our own. That Knight trade could go down as absolutely the worst in history. Yet McDonough remains employed.

Sarver is the only one that can fire him and he hasn't. What a freaking joke.

Copy and paste this post every 2-3 months.

Nothing we can do to change any of that. Complaining about it won’t make it any better. Just accept he’s our owner and McD is the GM and move on.

We can pray that he gets caught up in some scandal ala Jerry Richardson or Donald Sterling and gets forced to sell.

Lol.

I guess I could be considered the closest thing to a a Sarver apologist here. I do think that he has a worse rap than he deserves, especially regarding his being "cheap". I also think that he meddles far too much and causes the Suns to waste dollars spent. And I would say he is a below average NBA owner but not in the same category as Stepien or Sterling or Dolan. We have been spoiled by Jerry.

virtual9mm wrote:I guess I could be considered the closest thing to a a Sarver apologist here. I do think that he has a worse rap than he deserves, especially regarding his being "cheap". I also think that he meddles far too much and causes the Suns to waste dollars spent. And I would say he is a below average NBA owner but not in the same category as Stepien or Sterling or Dolan. We have been spoiled by Jerry.

I have never called him cheap, even after selling off draft picks when we needed them most. However it is really hard to find many hires that he has made that have panned out.

I certainly hope he got it right when he hired Igor. It appears that everyone thinks he did. I hope James Jones turns out to be a good hire as well. Unfortunately I have bought the spin of each and every move he has made with the exception of Lindsey Hunter replacing Alvin Gentry. How freaking dumb was that, wholly shit. How the hell did he approve the hiring of Earl Wooden Watson?

Name me a good hire he has made in management or as a coach that you think was a wise move. Gentry replacing MDA does not count. Why isn't Gentry still our coach?

I will buy the spin Sarver publishes this off season and hope for the best, no matter what we do. Even if we somehow get Kawaii Leonard. I am a sucker like the rest of you.

JustWinBaby wrote:

virtual9mm wrote:I guess I could be considered the closest thing to a a Sarver apologist here. I do think that he has a worse rap than he deserves, especially regarding his being "cheap". I also think that he meddles far too much and causes the Suns to waste dollars spent. And I would say he is a below average NBA owner but not in the same category as Stepien or Sterling or Dolan. We have been spoiled by Jerry.

I have never called him cheap, even after selling off draft picks when we needed them most. However it is really hard to find many hires that he has made that have panned out.

I certainly hope he got it right when he hired Igor. It appears that everyone thinks he did. I hope James Jones turns out to be a good hire as well. Unfortunately I have bought the spin of each and every move he has made with the exception of L*****y H****r replacing Alvin Gentry. How freaking dumb was that, wholly s***. How the hell did he approve the hiring of Earl Wooden Watson?

Name me a good hire he has made in management or as a coach that you think was a wise move. Gentry replacing MDA does not count. Why isn't Gentry still our coach?

I will buy the spin Sarver publishes this off season and hope for the best, no matter what we do. Even if we somehow get Kawaii Leonard. I am a sucker like the rest of you.

And even that is forgetting "the sun, and the moon, and the stars" Lon Babby as well as the worst GM in sports history, Lance Blanks who was the main instigator of Lindsey Hunter replacing Gentry while at the same time pissing off Suns legend Dan Majerle as well as Elston Turner.