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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
by Wally_West
Ayton is just playing shitty but this loss was a team effort.
It’s preseason. This is definitely shit way to start but I’m just not going to make snap judgments when so many key pieces are missing.
Once this team is at full strength and doesn’t have their head up their asses, it should be a pretty fun team to watch. At least that’s what I tell myself. *shrug*
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
by Indy
carey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Jazz 37 FTs, Suns 11. How do you win with that disparity? Not that it was our only issue but all things being equal it is impossible.
we created that disparity. it isn't the refs. We keep passing the ball around the perimeter and moving away from the basket, or playing 1 on 1.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:18 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:12 pm
I obviously think what we're seeing in these last two games has been a bit of a nightmare.
It hasn't been good, but nightmare is an overstatement. Paul didn't play the first game; Saric and Crowder still haven't played.
Can I say fugly? lol
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:19 pm
by INFORMER
He got away with an offensive foul, but how about that AGGRESSION from Motley to throw it down in the midst of three Jazz defenders.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:19 pm
by specialsauce
Preseason or not the lack of giving a shit or having a pair for DA is the same old tired story.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:20 pm
by INFORMER
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:18 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:12 pm
I obviously think what we're seeing in these last two games has been a bit of a nightmare.
It hasn't been good, but nightmare is an overstatement. Paul didn't play the first game; Saric and Crowder still haven't played.
Can I say fugly? lol
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:22 pm
by Wally_West
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
carey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Jazz 37 FTs, Suns 11. How do you win with that disparity? Not that it was our only issue but all things being equal it is impossible.
we created that disparity. it isn't the refs. We keep passing the ball around the perimeter and moving away from the basket, or playing 1 on 1.
Agreed. While there has been couple shit calls, like the Bridges foul where he clearly got all ball but for the most part, we only got ourselves to blame on this one.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:23 pm
by djy2j
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
It’s preseason folks, there’s a new pg, they’ve had very limited practices, a little patience is still in order.
Agreed but none of this is an excuse for what ails Ayton.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:28 pm
by djy2j
Add Nader to the list of injuries. Got clocked good by Azibuike and head slammed hard. Ejection on the play that the Jazz announcers were lobbying to be a basketball play.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:28 pm
by specialsauce
djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:23 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
It’s preseason folks, there’s a new pg, they’ve had very limited practices, a little patience is still in order.
Agreed but none of this is an excuse for what ails Ayton.
Exactly. That’s a tired take. I’d accept a 2-10 line from Ayton with 5 turnovers if it was because he was being aggressive and trying to find his way.
It was the same old lazy pussy play he’s trademarked. His tattoo on his back should be HALFASSAYTON
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 pm
by Drewsprocket
djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:23 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
It’s preseason folks, there’s a new pg, they’ve had very limited practices, a little patience is still in order.
Agreed but none of this is an excuse for what ails Ayton.
He played great last year prior to the bubble. No reason to expect a decline. Ayton is now playing 100% roll man with a new PG and has to be a screener for his shooters. He has to learn these two newer offensive part of his games. Getting screen assists is a big change for him. Up until now, he’s been a post player, offensive glass cleaner, and a mid range shooter. I think what’s changing are his expectations on offense and it’s throwing him way off. He just needs time.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 pm
by djy2j
Feels like there’s been at least 7 or 8 and ones for the Jazz tonight. Unreal
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:30 pm
by INFORMER
djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:28 pm
Add Nader to the list of injuries. Got clocked good by Azibuike and head slammed hard. Ejection on the play that the Jazz announcers were lobbying to be a basketball play.
It was a basketball play. He hit Nader's head all in the motion of blocking the shot. I think it was a Flagrant One.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:33 pm
by Indy
Wally_West wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:22 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
carey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Jazz 37 FTs, Suns 11. How do you win with that disparity? Not that it was our only issue but all things being equal it is impossible.
we created that disparity. it isn't the refs. We keep passing the ball around the perimeter and moving away from the basket, or playing 1 on 1.
Agreed. While there has been couple shit calls, like the Bridges foul where he clearly got all ball but for the most part, we only got ourselves to blame on this one.
Even that call, Carter mauled the guy first. So it should have been a foul on Carter.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:33 pm
by djy2j
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 pm
djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:23 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
It’s preseason folks, there’s a new pg, they’ve had very limited practices, a little patience is still in order.
Agreed but none of this is an excuse for what ails Ayton.
He played great last year prior to the bubble. No reason to expect a decline. Ayton is now playing 100% roll man with a new PG and has to be a screener for his shooters. He has to learn these two newer offensive part of his games. Getting screen assists is a big change for him. Up until now, he’s been a post player, offensive glass cleaner, and a mid range shooter. I think what’s changing are his expectations on offense and it’s throwing him way off. He just needs time.
My beef is that he doesn’t play hard or aggressive most of the time. I don’t care what players have changed or what his supposed roll is on offense, he is the least aggressive and lowest energy guy on the floor when he’s out there. This is the easiest “skill” to improve.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:33 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Ayton will come back and put together a few good games and we'll be right back at the, "if he could just figure out (fill in something obvious) he'll be fine" standard. This is who Ayton is and I'm done with this shit.
Trade his ass. He's not worth $25M and definitely not worth the $30M+ qualifying offer.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:36 pm
by specialsauce
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:29 pm
djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:23 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:17 pm
It’s preseason folks, there’s a new pg, they’ve had very limited practices, a little patience is still in order.
Agreed but none of this is an excuse for what ails Ayton.
He played great last year prior to the bubble. No reason to expect a decline. Ayton is now playing 100% roll man with a new PG and has to be a screener for his shooters. He has to learn these two newer offensive part of his games. Getting screen assists is a big change for him. Up until now, he’s been a post player, offensive glass cleaner, and a mid range shooter. I think what’s changing are his expectations on offense and it’s throwing him way off. He just needs time.
We have different definitions of great
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:39 pm
by Split T
Anyone want to join me in saying they’d trade DA for SGA? I’m not going to make any conclusions based on a preseason game, but Ayton has to go if he keeps playing like this.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:40 pm
by Wally_West
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:39 pm
Anyone want to join me in saying they’d trade DA for SGA? I’m not going to make any conclusions based on a preseason game, but Ayton has to go if he keeps playing like this.
Nah, only Giannis.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:57 pm
by Shabazz
carey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Jazz 37 FTs, Suns 11. How do you win with that disparity? Not that it was our only issue but all things being equal it is impossible.
The reffing was fine. The Suns didn’t attack and the Jazz did. Simple as that.