Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:29 am
Look at what he did for us against them last season. If we used him properly in the playoffs he could have gotten us past them.
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Look at what he did for us against them last season. If we used him properly in the playoffs he could have gotten us past them.
Exactly.sunset rubdown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:58 amI am the Suns' fan since '93 but probably won't watch my Suns with the same passion next season if that happens.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:52 amIf the Suns trade Ayton for a pu pu platter and cap space, I am done with the Suns.
I am afraid we are going to treadmill for the next 5 years or so if we trade DA and after that we will tank for another 5 to 10 years. Brilliant.
Thank you. I was afraid I would have to post this myself, and I'm way past my post quota for the year (decade?). The Suns are closer to the 2020-21 Bucks than the 1991-92 Suns.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:05 amI just don't buy the "this team has peaked" narrative. We had the best record in the history of the franchise last season. We went to the Finals the season before that. We had a rough out from the playoffs this year, partly due to a hidden COVID outbreak on the team right before Game 7. Why would you be so eager to give up on that team?
Bobby Marks agrees with me, that they won’t be a top 4 seed:JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:31 amExactly.sunset rubdown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:58 amI am the Suns' fan since '93 but probably won't watch my Suns with the same passion next season if that happens.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:52 amIf the Suns trade Ayton for a pu pu platter and cap space, I am done with the Suns.
I am afraid we are going to treadmill for the next 5 years or so if we trade DA and after that we will tank for another 5 to 10 years. Brilliant.
I really wonder if James Jones is so self-deluded that he actually thinks he can get rid of DA and an aging Chris Paul can still keep them in the top 4 in the west? Because that ain’t happening.
A) LolCarno wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:52 amThank you. I was afraid I would have to post this myself, and I'm way past my post quota for the year (decade?). The Suns are closer to the 2020-21 Bucks than the 1991-92 Suns.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:05 amI just don't buy the "this team has peaked" narrative. We had the best record in the history of the franchise last season. We went to the Finals the season before that. We had a rough out from the playoffs this year, partly due to a hidden COVID outbreak on the team right before Game 7. Why would you be so eager to give up on that team?
I agree he could be very good at the 5 for us. But I think if you make him your starting center, you have to commit to Cam J as NOT being a starter on this team. You would need a very strong rebounding 4 to play with Turner. I am not opposed to that, but it might mean you lose Cam in free agency.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:20 amI think Myles Turner would do really well here. He gives us the floor spacer at the 5 while possibly improving our defense. Playing with CP3 could unlock more to his game as well. Rebounding would be a big concern. The question would be what the other piece coming is? They probably don’t want to give up Mathurin…Duarte? Brogdon? Hield?
I wouldn't be opposed to trying Cam as the starting 4 and Turner at the 5 and just seeing how things work out. But speaking to rebounding, I wouldn't mind bringing in Drummond for the backup 5 spot at the minimum whether we keep DA or not.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:28 amI agree he could be very good at the 5 for us. But I think if you make him your starting center, you have to commit to Cam J as NOT being a starter on this team. You would need a very strong rebounding 4 to play with Turner. I am not opposed to that, but it might mean you lose Cam in free agency.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:20 amI think Myles Turner would do really well here. He gives us the floor spacer at the 5 while possibly improving our defense. Playing with CP3 could unlock more to his game as well. Rebounding would be a big concern. The question would be what the other piece coming is? They probably don’t want to give up Mathurin…Duarte? Brogdon? Hield?
Regression isn’t necessarily the same thing as having peaked. Or would you say the stock market has peaked and it’s time to sell everything?Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:57 amA) LolCarno wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:52 amThank you. I was afraid I would have to post this myself, and I'm way past my post quota for the year (decade?). The Suns are closer to the 2020-21 Bucks than the 1991-92 Suns.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:05 amI just don't buy the "this team has peaked" narrative. We had the best record in the history of the franchise last season. We went to the Finals the season before that. We had a rough out from the playoffs this year, partly due to a hidden COVID outbreak on the team right before Game 7. Why would you be so eager to give up on that team?
B) We just say this team go from Finals meltdown after getting by 3 straight teams without their best (or 2nd best) player, to taking too many games to get by the 9 seed, then giving up in a Game 7 in the 2nd round. That doesn't feel like regression to you guys? We are absolutely not going in the upward direction...
Cam J had a rebounding rate of 8.5%. That is abysmal for a PF. Turner's was 13.4%.wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:46 amI wouldn't be opposed to trying Cam as the starting 4 and Turner at the 5 and just seeing how things work out. But speaking to rebounding, I wouldn't mind bringing in Drummond for the backup 5 spot at the minimum whether we keep DA or not.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:28 amI agree he could be very good at the 5 for us. But I think if you make him your starting center, you have to commit to Cam J as NOT being a starter on this team. You would need a very strong rebounding 4 to play with Turner. I am not opposed to that, but it might mean you lose Cam in free agency.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:20 amI think Myles Turner would do really well here. He gives us the floor spacer at the 5 while possibly improving our defense. Playing with CP3 could unlock more to his game as well. Rebounding would be a big concern. The question would be what the other piece coming is? They probably don’t want to give up Mathurin…Duarte? Brogdon? Hield?
I am not one to compare the stock market to the Phoenix Suns. I think they are fundamentally different things.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:49 amRegression isn’t necessarily the same thing as having peaked. Or would you say the stock market has peaked and it’s time to sell everything?Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:57 amA) LolCarno wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:52 amThank you. I was afraid I would have to post this myself, and I'm way past my post quota for the year (decade?). The Suns are closer to the 2020-21 Bucks than the 1991-92 Suns.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:05 amI just don't buy the "this team has peaked" narrative. We had the best record in the history of the franchise last season. We went to the Finals the season before that. We had a rough out from the playoffs this year, partly due to a hidden COVID outbreak on the team right before Game 7. Why would you be so eager to give up on that team?
B) We just say this team go from Finals meltdown after getting by 3 straight teams without their best (or 2nd best) player, to taking too many games to get by the 9 seed, then giving up in a Game 7 in the 2nd round. That doesn't feel like regression to you guys? We are absolutely not going in the upward direction...
The 2018-19 Bucks win 60 games but lost in the Conference Finals. The 2019-20 Bucks won 56 games and had the NBA's best record (covid shortened season), but lost 1-4 in the Eastern Semifinals in embarrassing fashion. There was lots of talk of how they needed to make major changes, fire Budenholzer, Giannis would leave, etc. I suppose some thought it did "feel like regression." However, the Bucks swapped Bledsoe for Holiday and proceeded to win the 2020-21 NBA Championship. Now, I concede that the 3rd best player swap of Bledsoe to Holiday was significant, but the Bucks ended up with the superior player.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:57 am
B) We just say this team go from Finals meltdown after getting by 3 straight teams without their best (or 2nd best) player, to taking too many games to get by the 9 seed, then giving up in a Game 7 in the 2nd round. That doesn't feel like regression to you guys? We are absolutely not going in the upward direction...
I generally agree with this.Carno wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:00 amThe 2018-19 Bucks win 60 games but lost in the Conference Finals. The 2019-20 Bucks won 56 games and had the NBA's best record (covid shortened season), but lost 1-4 in the Eastern Semifinals in embarrassing fashion. There was lots of talk of how they needed to make major changes, fire Budenholzer, Giannis would leave, etc. I suppose some thought it did "feel like regression." However, the Bucks swapped Bledsoe for Holiday and proceeded to win the 2020-21 NBA Championship. Now, I concede that the 3rd best player swap of Bledsoe to Holiday was significant, but the Bucks ended up with the superior player.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:57 am
B) We just say this team go from Finals meltdown after getting by 3 straight teams without their best (or 2nd best) player, to taking too many games to get by the 9 seed, then giving up in a Game 7 in the 2nd round. That doesn't feel like regression to you guys? We are absolutely not going in the upward direction...
This isn't a perfect reflection of the Suns situation, but there are multiple examples in NBA history where it took several tries before a championship quality team finally won (e.g., Jordan Bulls, Bad Boy Pistons). The Suns are a championship quality team right now. Tinker with it, fine. But swapping Deandre Ayton for trash isn't going to do it. Show me a realistic scenario that makes the Suns better, and I'll get behind it. Otherwise, tinker and run it back.
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:20 amI think Myles Turner would do really well here. He gives us the floor spacer at the 5 while possibly improving our defense. Playing with CP3 could unlock more to his game as well. Rebounding would be a big concern. The question would be what the other piece coming is? They probably don’t want to give up Mathurin…Duarte? Brogdon? Hield?
To your point, swapping out Bledsoe for Jrue was a huge move. It wasn't tweaking on the margins.Carno wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:00 amThe 2018-19 Bucks win 60 games but lost in the Conference Finals. The 2019-20 Bucks won 56 games and had the NBA's best record (covid shortened season), but lost 1-4 in the Eastern Semifinals in embarrassing fashion. There was lots of talk of how they needed to make major changes, fire Budenholzer, Giannis would leave, etc. I suppose some thought it did "feel like regression." However, the Bucks swapped Bledsoe for Holiday and proceeded to win the 2020-21 NBA Championship. Now, I concede that the 3rd best player swap of Bledsoe to Holiday was significant, but the Bucks ended up with the superior player.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:57 am
B) We just say this team go from Finals meltdown after getting by 3 straight teams without their best (or 2nd best) player, to taking too many games to get by the 9 seed, then giving up in a Game 7 in the 2nd round. That doesn't feel like regression to you guys? We are absolutely not going in the upward direction...
This isn't a perfect reflection of the Suns situation, but there are multiple examples in NBA history where it took several tries before a championship quality team finally won (e.g., Jordan Bulls, Bad Boy Pistons). The Suns are a championship quality team right now. Tinker with it, fine. But swapping Deandre Ayton for trash isn't going to do it. Show me a realistic scenario that makes the Suns better, and I'll get behind it. Otherwise, tinker and run it back.
Well SA dealt Murray because he told them he wasn't going to sign an extension. Is that the case with Booker?sunset rubdown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:14 amINF, if that's the case, us not beating Warriors, let's trade Booker also because he will be available for supermax very soon. Let's deal Booker and tank, just like Spurs did with Murray.