Re: 2023 Free Agency Thread
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:54 am
I’d rather Elie Okobo. I think he could play in the NBA.
I'm so ready to move on from Payne, I've just never been sold on the guy. He had one decent year but has really regressed over the past couple of seasons and is just erratic at times. He's been here long enough now to stamp his authority as the backup PG but he remains unconvincing. There must be better options available in free agency.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 amPayne's started at point and played for us and has playoff experience. I wouldn't want to trust a 23 yr old combo guard with that kind of responsibility. We know Book, Beal and KD will be sharing ballhandling duties, but we still need a true ballhandler with some actual experience to run things at times and/or lead a 2nd unit.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:04 amI feel like Jordan Goodwin is as much of a PG as Payne.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:25 amI kind of liked what Lee brought. Smaller, quicker, shifty guard who could get into the lane. I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a major role but as a 13-15th guy we could do worse. I still think we need another legit backup PG/ballhandler. Not sure I feel comfortable with Payne as the only true PG on the roster as of now.
Jock's a no brainer. Hope we can re-sign him to a reasonable deal.
Agreed on every word. BUT... those better options are not available on free agency FOR PHOENIX, given they would have to come here making the minimum. So if we fix it at "There must be better options available at minimum salary, wanting to come to Phoenix" then is easier to understand why Payne is still here...SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:48 amI'm so ready to move on from Payne, I've just never been sold on the guy. He had one decent year but has really regressed over the past couple of seasons and is just erratic at times. He's been here long enough now to stamp his authority as the backup PG but he remains unconvincing. There must be better options available in free agency.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 amPayne's started at point and played for us and has playoff experience. I wouldn't want to trust a 23 yr old combo guard with that kind of responsibility. We know Book, Beal and KD will be sharing ballhandling duties, but we still need a true ballhandler with some actual experience to run things at times and/or lead a 2nd unit.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:04 amI feel like Jordan Goodwin is as much of a PG as Payne.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:25 amI kind of liked what Lee brought. Smaller, quicker, shifty guard who could get into the lane. I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a major role but as a 13-15th guy we could do worse. I still think we need another legit backup PG/ballhandler. Not sure I feel comfortable with Payne as the only true PG on the roster as of now.
Jock's a no brainer. Hope we can re-sign him to a reasonable deal.
Strangely, his one decent year corresponded with a high post center with passing skills.SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:48 amI'm so ready to move on from Payne, I've just never been sold on the guy. He had one decent year but has really regressed over the past couple of seasons and is just erratic at times. He's been here long enough now to stamp his authority as the backup PG but he remains unconvincing. There must be better options available in free agency.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 amPayne's started at point and played for us and has playoff experience. I wouldn't want to trust a 23 yr old combo guard with that kind of responsibility. We know Book, Beal and KD will be sharing ballhandling duties, but we still need a true ballhandler with some actual experience to run things at times and/or lead a 2nd unit.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:04 amI feel like Jordan Goodwin is as much of a PG as Payne.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:25 amI kind of liked what Lee brought. Smaller, quicker, shifty guard who could get into the lane. I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a major role but as a 13-15th guy we could do worse. I still think we need another legit backup PG/ballhandler. Not sure I feel comfortable with Payne as the only true PG on the roster as of now.
Jock's a no brainer. Hope we can re-sign him to a reasonable deal.
Agreed.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:53 amAgreed on every word. BUT... those better options are not available on free agency FOR PHOENIX, given they would have to come here making the minimum. So if we fix it at "There must be better options available at minimum salary, wanting to come to Phoenix" then is easier to understand why Payne is still here...SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:48 amI'm so ready to move on from Payne, I've just never been sold on the guy. He had one decent year but has really regressed over the past couple of seasons and is just erratic at times. He's been here long enough now to stamp his authority as the backup PG but he remains unconvincing. There must be better options available in free agency.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 amPayne's started at point and played for us and has playoff experience. I wouldn't want to trust a 23 yr old combo guard with that kind of responsibility. We know Book, Beal and KD will be sharing ballhandling duties, but we still need a true ballhandler with some actual experience to run things at times and/or lead a 2nd unit.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:04 amI feel like Jordan Goodwin is as much of a PG as Payne.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:25 amI kind of liked what Lee brought. Smaller, quicker, shifty guard who could get into the lane. I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a major role but as a 13-15th guy we could do worse. I still think we need another legit backup PG/ballhandler. Not sure I feel comfortable with Payne as the only true PG on the roster as of now.
Jock's a no brainer. Hope we can re-sign him to a reasonable deal.
Who just so happens to be a free agent. I wouldn't be averse to bringing a healthy Saric back irrespective of his impact on Payne's numbers. If he can help Cam get back to playing at a decent level then all the better.ShadowHawke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:53 amStrangely, his one decent year corresponded with a high post center with passing skills.SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:48 amI'm so ready to move on from Payne, I've just never been sold on the guy. He had one decent year but has really regressed over the past couple of seasons and is just erratic at times. He's been here long enough now to stamp his authority as the backup PG but he remains unconvincing. There must be better options available in free agency.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:27 amPayne's started at point and played for us and has playoff experience. I wouldn't want to trust a 23 yr old combo guard with that kind of responsibility. We know Book, Beal and KD will be sharing ballhandling duties, but we still need a true ballhandler with some actual experience to run things at times and/or lead a 2nd unit.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:04 amI feel like Jordan Goodwin is as much of a PG as Payne.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:25 amI kind of liked what Lee brought. Smaller, quicker, shifty guard who could get into the lane. I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a major role but as a 13-15th guy we could do worse. I still think we need another legit backup PG/ballhandler. Not sure I feel comfortable with Payne as the only true PG on the roster as of now.
Jock's a no brainer. Hope we can re-sign him to a reasonable deal.
Nico Mannion looks like a totally different player too in some of the videos I've watched.wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:17 amHe's been playing really well in France, and was a key part of the Monaco team that beat Wemby's team for the French championship. I agree, he's at least worth a look.
You gotta be fucking kidding me
Yes to Watanabe, but I really don't want James back!
Oubre and PJ Tucker are supposed targets as well.