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I am with you there. Like I said, if we end up keeping both, they should rarely play together.

They sure have value.

Bledsoe is living up to his mini LeBron label and Knight is one of the youngest players to give you 20+ppg behind only Wiggins, Davis and Kawhi (count in Bradley Beal and McCollum if you will, at a tad under 20ppg).

Add to that the fact that they are locked into more than reasonable long term contracts and it is not hard to see teams willing to give up real assets.

Their problem is not raw talent, it is the compounded low IQ and inability to make an offense work so they are probably better off separated and put alongside a more traditional SG.

Questionable coaching doesn't help and they sure could use more support from better starters starting with PJ Tucker, but they still commit too many mistakes that lead to a dumb brand of basketball and I am not sold on the idea that they can improve enough on their decision making to turn things around as the main cogs, or even second and third options.

I am not sold on the idea that they can improve enough on their decision making to turn things around as the main cogs, or even second and third options.

That's my problem. I think Bledsoe is much more valuable, but he is already 26. I don't think your judgement gets much better much later in your career. Maybe if he really focuses on it during practice, but I am not sure you can learn that this late.

Indy wrote:

I am not sold on the idea that they can improve enough on their decision making to turn things around as the main cogs, or even second and third options.

That's my problem. I think Bledsoe is much more valuable, but he is already 26. I don't think your judgement gets much better much later in your career. Maybe if he really focuses on it during practice, but I am not sure you can learn that this late.

The problem is that if the Suns make a habit of signing free agents and then trading them away, it will get much harder to sign free agents in the future. They already have that reputation a little with the IT situation. But they also do with the Marcus signing.

JCSunsfan wrote:

Indy wrote:

I am not sold on the idea that they can improve enough on their decision making to turn things around as the main cogs, or even second and third options.

That's my problem. I think Bledsoe is much more valuable, but he is already 26. I don't think your judgement gets much better much later in your career. Maybe if he really focuses on it during practice, but I am not sure you can learn that this late.

The problem is that if the Suns make a habit of signing free agents and then trading them away, it will get much harder to sign free agents in the future. They already have that reputation a little with the IT situation. But they also do with the Marcus signing.

I don't think agents are going to hold the Marcus situation against us. Also, Dragic came out and said he wanted to be traded, which facilitated the IT trade (in theory). And it is easier to get away with it when you continue to suck.

I don't buy that. Players go where the money is. Didn't affect LA or Tyson when they were considering us.

ShelC wrote:I don't buy that. Players go where the money is. Didn't affect LA or Tyson when they were considering us.

True, but we overpaid for Tyson. LA is a good point.

Exactly. He went where the money was AND we made him feel wanted. Did the same with IT and things change, but it's part of the business. I don't think we have bad rep, unless you ask Goran

Indy wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

Indy wrote:

I am not sold on the idea that they can improve enough on their decision making to turn things around as the main cogs, or even second and third options.

That's my problem. I think Bledsoe is much more valuable, but he is already 26. I don't think your judgement gets much better much later in your career. Maybe if he really focuses on it during practice, but I am not sure you can learn that this late.

The problem is that if the Suns make a habit of signing free agents and then trading them away, it will get much harder to sign free agents in the future. They already have that reputation a little with the IT situation. But they also do with the Marcus signing.

I don't think agents are going to hold the Marcus situation against us. Also, Dragic came out and said he wanted to be traded, which facilitated the IT trade (in theory). And it is easier to get away with it when you continue to suck.

I think they might a little. However, trading Bledsoe or Knight would be worse.

Goran's stats and his visibility has tanked since he went to Miami. But he's getting paid!

JCSunsfan wrote:

Indy wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

Indy wrote:

I am not sold on the idea that they can improve enough on their decision making to turn things around as the main cogs, or even second and third options.

That's my problem. I think Bledsoe is much more valuable, but he is already 26. I don't think your judgement gets much better much later in your career. Maybe if he really focuses on it during practice, but I am not sure you can learn that this late.

The problem is that if the Suns make a habit of signing free agents and then trading them away, it will get much harder to sign free agents in the future. They already have that reputation a little with the IT situation. But they also do with the Marcus signing.

I don't think agents are going to hold the Marcus situation against us. Also, Dragic came out and said he wanted to be traded, which facilitated the IT trade (in theory). And it is easier to get away with it when you continue to suck.

I think they might a little. However, trading Bledsoe or Knight would be worse.

I think it all depends on the narrative around the transaction.

I just can't see us trading Chandler, Knight or Bledsoe. And the only way I see us trading Booker is if he returns a star.

No one else would shock me.

The Knicks are supposedly looking for a scoring guard, which I've always said they needed opposite Melo. They had interest in Knight this offseason but I also think Jennings is very much on their radar.

ShelC wrote:The Knicks are supposedly looking for a scoring guard, which I've always said they needed opposite Melo. They had interest in Knight this offseason but I also think Jennings is very much on their radar.

Jennings is actually finally returning from his achilles injury on Saturday with the Pistons D-League affiliate: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14390 ... don-injury

Jennings is in the final year of an $8M/yr deal.

Shabazz wrote:I just can't see us trading Chandler, Knight or Bledsoe. And the only way I see us trading Booker is if he returns a start.

No one else would shock me.

I would be shocked if they traded Booker. I think they can see that coming back to bite them 2-3 years from now.

As for the rest, I agree. But we can dream!

Indy wrote:
I think it all depends on the narrative around the transaction.

OK. I would agree with that. If it is clearly a deal for a superstar, if the player traded away is OK with it, etc.

Indy wrote:

Shabazz wrote:I just can't see us trading Chandler, Knight or Bledsoe. And the only way I see us trading Booker is if he returns a start.

No one else would shock me.

I would be shocked if they traded Booker. I think they can see that coming back to bite them 2-3 years from now.

As for the rest, I agree. But we can dream!

I meant to write "if he returns a 'Star.'" But I think it's highly unlikely we trade him.

Shabazz wrote:

Indy wrote:

Shabazz wrote:I just can't see us trading Chandler, Knight or Bledsoe. And the only way I see us trading Booker is if he returns a start.

No one else would shock me.

I would be shocked if they traded Booker. I think they can see that coming back to bite them 2-3 years from now.

As for the rest, I agree. But we can dream!

I meant to write "if he returns a 'Star.'" But I think it's highly unlikely we trade him.

I knew what you meant. I would be shocked still, because I can't think of a star on the market that would be worth it.

Indy wrote:

ShelC wrote:I keep trying to work out deals involving us, Orlando, NY, Atlanta, Houston with all the PGs being swapped around along with Markieff, Tobias Harris, and other parts. Something like Bledsoe and Kieff to Orlando, Knight and Lawson to NY, Calderon to Houston, we get Schroeder and Harris.

The more I read things around the league, it really looks like both our PGs have quite a bit of value...

Absolutely. Though it's unlikely either will be an All-Star this season, they'll both be in the conversation of guys who just missed the cut. They're AASs, and young, and may be ASs in the future.

"Told that a lot of guys would be more upset with the situation and show more frustration, he said, “I’m not a lot of guys. I understand the process. I’m kind of a low-tempered kind of guy, so I ease my way one game at a time. Whenever my number is called, I’ll be ready. I just want to play.”

Imagine how many T's he would have got if he wasn't so laid back.