I like how yesterday In2 is going on about how there is ample evidence that Joe Biden committed serious crimes, yet this guy says he wants to storm the capitol and cause an insurrection and he's all about confirmation bias and due process. It is good that we have the presumption of innocence and err on the side of finding people Not Guilty if it's at all in doubt. It sounds like this guy got a friendly judge, appointed by the man who this guy tried to do a coup to install back as President, so I'm not sure how that isn't a conflict of interest, but oh well. Can't get 'em all. What's the record on these cases now? 500-to-1? 800-to-1?
You clearly know better than I do of what the evidence is. Maybe we better just hang or shoot anyone that is set for trial. There is no way that they've had 500 or 800 go through trial, but go on. Why isn't it 8,000 or 50,000 by now?
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 1:14 pm
by Indy
770 people have been charged with federal crimes over the januray 6th insurrection. Over 200 have pleaded guilty already. That is why Mori is using those numbers and why he isn't making up crazy things like 8,000 or 50,000. I mean these are just basic numbers from the articles you posted.
You clearly know better than I do of what the evidence is. Maybe we better just hang or shoot anyone that is set for trial. There is no way that they've had 500 or 800 go through trial, but go on. Why isn't it 8,000 or 50,000 by now?
I didn't make up a number out of thin air. At least 800 have been arrested and charged:
There are many other links on the subject on Google, though many of them are a few weeks to months out of date as of today.
My quote was, "What's the record on these cases now? 500-to-1? 800-to-1?" It's slightly misleading because they have not had 500 or 800 of them go to actual trial, but around 200 of them have, and it is likely that many of the people arrested and charged will lead to pleas and/or trials within the year. I don't think my ballpark numbers were far off.
I also think your message is hyperbolic and silly. I have absolutely never suggested hanging or shooting anyone set for a trial. That's a straw man and a huge exaggeration of my argument. I hope you would talk to me about my actual statements and not a gross and barbaric exaggeration of them.
You clearly know better than I do of what the evidence is. Maybe we better just hang or shoot anyone that is set for trial. There is no way that they've had 500 or 800 go through trial, but go on. Why isn't it 8,000 or 50,000 by now?
I didn't make up a number out of thin air. At least 800 have been arrested and charged:
There are many other links on the subject on Google, though many of them are a few weeks to months out of date as of today.
My quote was, "What's the record on these cases now? 500-to-1? 800-to-1?" It's slightly misleading because they have not had 500 or 800 of them go to actual trial, but around 200 of them have, and it is likely that many of the people arrested and charged will lead to pleas and/or trials within the year. I don't think my ballpark numbers were far off.
I also think your message is hyperbolic and silly. I have absolutely never suggested hanging or shooting anyone set for a trial. That's a straw man and a huge exaggeration of my argument. I hope you would talk to me about my actual statements and not a gross and barbaric exaggeration of them.
You insinuated that 500 to 800 of them have been found or pleaded guilty to the one that was let off. So your exaggeration of all of them being guilty, unless they aren't was also hyperbole and silly. Thus, the reason for my own hyperbolic numbers. You understand how that works. If it's an insurrection, then what's the punishment for insurrection or treason? Isn't it death by hanging or firing squad? So mine strawman wasn't that far off, if you're going to automatically presume guilt.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:17 pm
by Nodack
All of them believed Trumps lies and were going to set things right in their eyes. Hundreds were willing to resort to violence to achieve that. They were conned for the umpteenth time by Trump. I find it almost impossible to believe people can be conned that many times and see him lie that many times and still believe every word as if it came from God himself. It makes me think it’s just the tribal thing. He is the leader of their tribe and for good or bad they are going to stick with him.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:25 am
by Mori Chu
Ruh roh.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:13 pm
by Mori Chu
Don Jr was actively in on the coup plotting.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:25 am
by Mori Chu
Ali Alexander has agreed to cooperate with the Jan 6 commission. Not sure if he will reveal anything helpful, since he's basically a piece of poodoo, but we'll see.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:30 am
by In2ition
Scammy Davis Jr. probably won't reveal much, because I believe that he was involved in some of it. If you see those wearing orange(his own color revolution), those are his idiots. This guy is one of the biggest pieces of poodoo(as Mori called him) around.
Scammy Davis Jr. probably won't reveal much, because I believe that he was involved in some of it. If you see those wearing orange(his own color revolution), those are his idiots. This guy is one of the biggest pieces of poodoo(as Mori called him) around.
LOL, you're absolutely right, THAT is exactly who he looks like. I was trying to place it. He's a dead ringer for Sammy Davis Jr. Thanks for that belly laugh.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:12 am
by Nodack
Opinion | Trump Appointees Are Undermining Jan. 6 Prosecutions — And Our Justice System
A series of questionable decisions points to a potentially dangerous partisan turn for federal trial judges. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... s-00024063
This week brought the first outright acquittal of one of the roughly 800 defendants who have been charged by the Justice Department for their actions on Jan. 6, 2021. Federal prosecutors in the District of Columbia had charged Matthew Martin with four misdemeanor offenses stemming from his presence in the Capitol that day, but after a two-day bench trial, the presiding judge concluded that Martin’s defense — that he believed police had allowed him to enter the building — was at least “plausible.”
The acquittal was courtesy of one of several Trump-appointed judges who, in recent months, have been making highly questionable decisions while presiding over various Jan. 6 prosecutions. The decisions are so out of step with the decisions of most of their colleagues — and in some cases even common sense — that these judges are undermining both the appearance and reality of an apolitical judicial approach to these cases. It’s a troubling development for a branch of the federal government that’s already plagued by partisanship at the appellate and Supreme Court levels.
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:22 pm
by Mori Chu
Here's some up-to-date stats on the 1/6 insurrectionists and their various trials:
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:49 pm
by Mori Chu
Re: 2020 Election Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:03 pm
by In2ition
Jamie Raskin, who fabricated evidence in the impeachment trial, and I think did it twice? That Jamie Raskin?
They better hurry up with their sham. They are running out of time.. It's been 6 years of absolute bs, lying and colluding by the Dems and its all going to come home to roost very soon.
To be clear, the discrepancies on the tweets are legitimate errors, but they had absolutely no bearing on the actual content of the posts in question or the substance of the House managers’ case. And as an aide to the House managers explained after Schoen made light of these discrepancies, the errors happened because prosecutors had to recreate Trump’s tweets from scratch after his account was permanently suspended.
“The text is entirely unchanged,” the aide told The Hill. “The final graphic accidentally had a blue verification checkmark on it, but the substance of it was entirely accurate. So what is Trump’s attorneys’ point?”
The point, of course, was not to offer a substantive defense of Trump, but to try to discredit Democrats while giving people like van der Veen grist for performative outrage during TV hits. And to that end, mission accomplished.