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He had the second worst +\- of any bench player that night. He was a +4 in a game we won by 30 and every single player on the bench saw the court, and only Javale had a worse +\-
Payne only played the final 4 minutes of the game against the Mavs scrubs, that +11 means absolutely nothing.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21 pmHe had the second worst +\- of any bench player that night. He was a +4 in a game we won by 30 and every single player on the bench saw the court, and only Javale had a worse +\-
Even Payne was a +11
I’ll repeat, he was a +4 in a game we won by 30, didn’t score his first points until the end of the third when we were up 19, hit two field goals total and this is considered a good performance by our highest paid bench player.Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 pmPayne only played the final 4 minutes of the game against the Mavs scrubs, that +11 means absolutely nothing.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21 pmHe had the second worst +\- of any bench player that night. He was a +4 in a game we won by 30 and every single player on the bench saw the court, and only Javale had a worse +\-
Even Payne was a +11
You really don’t listen to a thing I say…not worth it.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:34 pmI’ll repeat, he was a +4 in a game we won by 30, didn’t score his first points until the end of the third when we were up 19, hit two field goals total and this is considered a good performance by our highest paid bench player.Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 pmPayne only played the final 4 minutes of the game against the Mavs scrubs, that +11 means absolutely nothing.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21 pmHe had the second worst +\- of any bench player that night. He was a +4 in a game we won by 30 and every single player on the bench saw the court, and only Javale had a worse +\-
Even Payne was a +11
Expect more. This is sad.
I’m listening but it’s like nails on chalkboard. Landry Shamets good “playoff performances” were one game where he was as good as a 9th/10th manSplit T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:44 pmYou really don’t listen to a thing I say…not worth it.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:34 pmI’ll repeat, he was a +4 in a game we won by 30, didn’t score his first points until the end of the third when we were up 19, hit two field goals total and this is considered a good performance by our highest paid bench player.Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 pmPayne only played the final 4 minutes of the game against the Mavs scrubs, that +11 means absolutely nothing.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21 pmHe had the second worst +\- of any bench player that night. He was a +4 in a game we won by 30 and every single player on the bench saw the court, and only Javale had a worse +\-
Even Payne was a +11
Expect more. This is sad.
Split did say: Doesn’t mean I think he’s our 6th man. I’m definitely in favor of upgrading him.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:46 pmI’m listening but it’s like nails on chalkboard. Landry Shamets good “playoff performances” were one game where he was as good as a 9th/10th manSplit T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:44 pmYou really don’t listen to a thing I say…not worth it.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:34 pmI’ll repeat, he was a +4 in a game we won by 30, didn’t score his first points until the end of the third when we were up 19, hit two field goals total and this is considered a good performance by our highest paid bench player.Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 pmPayne only played the final 4 minutes of the game against the Mavs scrubs, that +11 means absolutely nothing.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21 pm
He had the second worst +\- of any bench player that night. He was a +4 in a game we won by 30 and every single player on the bench saw the court, and only Javale had a worse +\-
Even Payne was a +11
Expect more. This is sad.
I'm beginning to think so too. There just aren't a lot of suitors out there that have matching contract salaries to move. It feels like the Suns might have to wait until December for some of these players that signed deals in this past offseason, or wait until some of these players that have recently been traded can be aggregated again in a trade with other salaries.
Hunter actually makes less than Crowder, so they could just be swapped. Don't know if the Hawks would do that, though. I would do it today.djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:04 amBogdanovich hasn't played in the first 2 preseason games. Hunter has started and scared 17 and 21. Justin Holiday played 34 mins off the bench and a DNP the other game. Frank hasn't scored in 2 games but also cannot be traded until December 15th.
Not sure what other pieces than Hunter, Holiday, Bogdanovich make sense for both teams. Also not sure how we'd get Hunter without including Shamet's salary. Also not sure how you get someone to take Shamet's salary w o attaching a pick. Ideally an Eastern conference team is who I'd want to deal with.
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:14 amSplit T wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:24 pm
He had a pretty good game against Dallas in game 5 I believe.
He had a dunk and everyone busted about it. One good play.
He didn’t score until the end of the third quarter when the suns were up 19.
This is our most expensive bench player. Our supposed sixth man
Re: Jae Crowder trade requestQuote bajanguy008
by bajanguy008 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:16 pm
I still believe Payne can be a positive or well simply not a negative most nights as was the case last season
Shamet is more of a Hope thing right now tbh
Same. Less Bogi mins since the addition of Murray so that's something that could mean he could be involved also.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:14 amHunter actually makes less than Crowder, so they could just be swapped. Don't know if the Hawks would do that, though. I would do it today.djy2j wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:04 amBogdanovich hasn't played in the first 2 preseason games. Hunter has started and scared 17 and 21. Justin Holiday played 34 mins off the bench and a DNP the other game. Frank hasn't scored in 2 games but also cannot be traded until December 15th.
Not sure what other pieces than Hunter, Holiday, Bogdanovich make sense for both teams. Also not sure how we'd get Hunter without including Shamet's salary. Also not sure how you get someone to take Shamet's salary w o attaching a pick. Ideally an Eastern conference team is who I'd want to deal with.
EDIT: Split beat me to it.