I consider withholding accountability under the notion of "we don't know what constraints he is working with" a free pass.
Who said anything about withholding accountability?
I did. And I think that is the appropriate term when things that happened under Jones time here, that have his finger prints on it, are excused with that line of thinking.
I mean, did Sarver mandate that Jones could only field a summer league team comprised of 30-year olds?!
But this is all probably getting into the weeds. Even if I am right, it doesn't mean Jones can't change. And if someone wants to hope for better results from him under Ishbia, there is nothing wrong with that. Personally, I think there has been enough missteps in the areas of drafting and player development to warrant not trusting Jones on those fronts.
I consider withholding accountability under the notion of "we don't know what constraints he is working with" a free pass.
Who said anything about withholding accountability?
I did. And I think that is the appropriate term when things that happened under Jones time here, that have his finger prints on it, are excused with that line of thinking.
I mean, did Sarver mandate that Jones could only field a summer league team comprised of 30-year olds?!
But this is all probably getting into the weeds. Even if I am right, it doesn't mean Jones can't change. And if someone wants to hope for better results from him under Ishbia, there is nothing wrong with that. Personally, I think there has been enough missteps in the areas of drafting and player development to warrant not trusting Jones on those fronts.
See, I can agree with all that. The truth is we’ll never know. Like you said, he could change and make a course correction and there would be no way to know if he did that on his own or because he had less constraints to work around. Even if he did have constraints, there is a lot of room to argue that he didn’t handle them very well. I appreciated the conversation.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 4:52 pm
by Mori Chu
Jones was hired by Sarver, mostly because Sarver was cheap and Jones would take a paltry salary. He's done some good moves but I don't think he has particularly distinguished himself as a GM. The fact that Ishbia overrode Jones to force the KD trade tells me they don't really see things eye to eye. I think Ishbia should probably let Jones go when a better candidate becomes available.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:43 am
by In2ition
I think you all have really good points. We don't know for sure if Ishbia "overrode" Jones, just that Ishbia was enthusiastic about the trade and was more willing to gamble more assets & players. Jones also seems to be the kind of person to not air someone else's dirty laundry. Time will tell for sure what really happened, what type of GM Jones really is and where exactly his strengths and weaknesses are. I'm hopeful that things will change as far as development staff & identifying talent goes with the known changes that have taken place already.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:41 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
You should all be biting your tongue because we know damn well that Isaiah Thomas could easily be in James Jones' role right now.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:19 am
by Flagrant Fowl
Another project type guy I like with good athleticism and effort. Reminds me quite a bit of Okogie.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:45 am
by JeremyG
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:39 pm
by ShelC
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:39 am
by JeremyG
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:57 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Jordan passing on Scoot would be very much like his previous roster management decisions.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:05 pm
by Split T
That one has me baffled. It feels a little like Sacramento taking Bagley at 2 to me.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:07 pm
by INFORMER
I think both of you are way off; nothing against Scoot, but Brandon Miller is an amazing basketball talent.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:07 pm
by INFORMER
And Charlotte did draft LaMelo Ball on Jordan's watch.
Re: 2023 NBA Draft
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:09 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
A lot of guys are amazing talents who never put it together mentally.
I’m never going to worry about the mental part with Scoot and he’s also an amazing talent.
I think both of you are way off; nothing against Scoot, but Brandon Miller is an amazing basketball talent.
Would you take him over Scoot? I haven’t followed this draft super close, and I even like Miller….So maybe Bagley was a little much, but I just think Scoot will be better.